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Where: Galway, Ireland

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When: 22 September 1883

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A few weeks ago, we met two sisters from the Clonbrock Estate in Ahascragh, Co. Galway. Today's two girls and their dog are equally cute, but hail from the other end of the social spectrum (at least the girls did, can't speak for the dog's lineage). Meet Edith (on the left) and Ethel Dillon, daughters of Baron Clonbrock. Unfortunately, we don't know the dog's name...

It should be possible to find out more about Edith (1878-1964) and Ethel (1880-1978), so I hope some of you may be able to help us...

Photographer: A member of the Dillon Family

Date: Saturday, 22 September 1883

NLI Ref.: CLON55

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Source: Flickr Commons
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    John Spooner

    • 26/Sep/2013 07:59:09

    Judging by the "Fashion and Varieties" column in Freeman's, no social occasion was complete in the late 1890s (Feb 1898 onwards) without the presence of the Honourable Edith Dillon. The Honourable Ethel's first appearance in the column is May 1899

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Sep/2013 08:03:14

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner So Edith was "out" from the age of about 20, and then Ethel from about 19?

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    John Spooner

    • 26/Sep/2013 08:06:44

    In Januaary 1905 Edith married Sir William Mahon at Abaseragh Ahascragh Church.

    The bride wore a white satin gown with a deep flounce of Brussels lace cught up with a bow of silver tissue, the bodice being trimmed with lace and silver gauze to correspond. Her veil was of lace, and her ornaments diamonds
    The Times (London, England), Friday, Jan 27, 1905, court circular You can't beat a good flounce

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Sep/2013 08:11:06

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner You certainly can't! Think that should be Ahascragh Church, John. The Clonbrock Estate was at Ahascragh in Co. Galway.

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    John Spooner

    • 26/Sep/2013 08:13:59

    Untimely death KLAXXXON London Times Deaths column, 3rd Sep 1910

    MAHON - On the 31st Aug., at Criccieth, WILLIAM GERALD ROSS, only son of SIR WILLIAM and HON. LADY MAHON, within two days of his first birthday

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Sep/2013 08:17:48

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Oh John, definitely need the Untimely Death Klaxon for this one! Wonder what happened the poor little fella? And it says "only son" (obviously of vital importance in aristocratic families), but wonder if he was Edith's only child?

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    John Spooner

    • 26/Sep/2013 08:25:42

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland They had one daughter, Ursula, who married Hon. Marcus Crofton in 1928, by which time it's "the late Sir WIlliam H. Mahon"

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Sep/2013 08:36:52

    Teeny image of Three women standing in front of Clonbrock House on the occasion of Edith Dillon's marriage to Sir William Mahon on 25 January 1905, and another teeny image of Edith Dillon with husband Sir William Mahon, examining a camera in garden, possibly Castlegar House, Ahascragh, Co. Galway.

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    DannyM8

    • 26/Sep/2013 08:54:55

    Lovely Dog

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    John Spooner

    • 26/Sep/2013 09:02:40

    From the short obituary of Sir W. H Mahon in the London Times Aug 16 1926

    He married in 1905 Hon Edith Augusta Dillon, sister of Lord Clonbrock. She survives him with two sons and a daughter. He is succeeded by his elder son, George Edward John, born in 1911.

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    John Spooner

    • 26/Sep/2013 09:10:38

    Faithful Service Letter from Edith A. Mahon in the London Times Jul 25, 1939

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    John Spooner

    • 26/Sep/2013 09:16:34

    Death at a ripe old age KLAXON The death notice for Hon. Lady Mahon appeared in the London Times on April 27 1964. She died at her home in co. Galway at the age of 85.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Sep/2013 09:32:05

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner] That letter is tremendous, John! And we have a photo of William Hay, and maybe some of the others named in the letter appear also in our photos...

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 26/Sep/2013 09:34:52

    " ... It may not seem very significant but at a time when the Land Commission courts were beginning to lower rents on the estate under the fair rent fixing terms of the 1881 Land Act, his [Baron Clonbrock] agent feared for the future. Economic cutbacks became a necessity. In 1886 five servants were made redundant, an event noted in the family diary as ‘The first fruits of Parnell and Company’. Indeed, big house expenditure at Clonbrock fell by an average of 30 per cent during the period 1882-89, while money spent on the gardens also fell by around 30 per cent. The consequences of rental decline, therefore, had a disproportionate effect on big house expenditure. ... " From www.aughty.org/pdf/clonbrock_history_bighouse.pdf ©Terence Dooley 2003

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    ccferrie

    • 26/Sep/2013 09:41:28

    Here's the 1901 census entry with Edith Augusta Dillon (22) and Ethel Louisa Dillon (20) both born in Roscommon and living at Clonbrock Demesne www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Cloubroc...

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    ccferrie

    • 26/Sep/2013 09:43:39

    William and Edith had a daughter Ursula Augusta Jane. Ethel and older sister Georgiana (both unmarried) were both visiting William & Edith on the night of the 1911 census. www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Ahascrag...

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    ccferrie

    • 26/Sep/2013 09:47:48

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner] Ursula married a Crofton and her grandmother's maiden name was Crofton - coincidence? familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGGZ-F72

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Sep/2013 09:49:54

    The Mahon and Dillon estates in the NUIG landed estates database.

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    ccferrie

    • 26/Sep/2013 09:54:11

    According to Ancestry.com Ethel died in 1978 records.ancestry.com/Ethel_Louisa_Dillon_records.ashx?pid... She would have been 97! Luke died in 1917 and Augusta in 1928 - presumably after the wedding of Ursula to Marcus Crofton [http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner/]?

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    ccferrie

    • 26/Sep/2013 09:57:24

    Some history of the Dillons and Clonbrock House lordbelmontinnorthernireland.blogspot.ie/2012/02/clonbroc...

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    ccferrie

    • 26/Sep/2013 09:59:57

    This article in the Tuam Herald says that Luke Dillon-Mahon had inherited Clonbrock House from Ethel Dillon by 1972 so perhaps Ancestry.com isn't quite accurate.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Sep/2013 10:02:42

    Clonbrock and Castlegar on the OS 25" map at GeoHive.

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    ccferrie

    • 26/Sep/2013 10:02:50

    It seems the family were all keen photographers fotalearningzone.ie/index.php/resources/resource/32/categ... L-R Ethel, her aunt Katherine Dillon, her mother Lady Augusta, her brother Robert and Edith

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Sep/2013 10:09:48

    Clonbrock burned down in the 1980s: Bing aerial view of what's left.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Sep/2013 10:12:27

    Castlegar is still standing.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Sep/2013 10:28:26

    The Luke who died in 1917 was the 4th Baron Clonbrock, the girl's father. The Luke who inherited was Edith's son. See thepeerage website. Presumably he inherited Clonbrock because his older brother George got Casltegar and the Mahon baronetcy. The Clonbrock Barony is extinct, dying with Edith's unmarried brother Robert in 1926.

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    John Spooner

    • 26/Sep/2013 10:33:09

    More deaths klaxon 1926-1928 - not good years for the Dillons After Edith's husband Sir William Mahon's death earlier in 1926, brother Robert died suddenly from heart failure (aged 57) on Nov 2nd 1926, after which the title became extinct.Aunt Katherine died in August the following year aged 80. Another aunt, the Hon. Lady Ellis-Nannery (aka Hon Elizabeth Octavia Dillon) died in January 1928 aged 79. On September 5th 1928 Lady Clonbrock died at Ahascragh in her 89th year. edit: also another aunt Hon. Louisa Emilia Dillon died on 23 May 1927 The next Clonbrock reference in the London Times death columns isn't until 1941 (Georgiana Caroline Dillon on Jan 16)

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    John Spooner

    • 26/Sep/2013 10:59:53

    Oh dear, the untimely death KLAXON is getting worn out. According to the Mahon Papers Collection at the NLI, Edith and WIlliam had another daughter besides Ursula - Mary Edith Georgiana, b. 22 Jun 1911, d. 17 Nov 1918.

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    La Belle Province

    • 26/Sep/2013 11:19:25

    Edith wants to make sure the camera captures her perfect spit-curls, but Ethel would plainly prefer to be elsewhere.

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    TEXASJOHN

    • 26/Sep/2013 12:52:04

    Thank you!

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    ccferrie

    • 26/Sep/2013 13:15:37

    Some info on Lady Augusta's family here

    Augusta Caroline Crofton, Lord Edward's and Francis George Crofton's sister and Aunt to Ernest, Alfred and Francis, a renowned amateur photographer and honoured with an O.B.E. in 1920, took over 3,000 photographs from 1880 to 192 [sic. 1920?]. Many of these photograph depicted day to day life of the Crofton's in Mote Park House. The negatives are now being restored at the National Library of Ireland.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Sep/2013 13:39:59

    The gate of Mote Park, Co. Roscommon (the house is gone) At the Gate Lion Gate The Great Stone Lion

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    Swordscookie

    • 26/Sep/2013 14:51:46

    Who would have thought a photo of two little girls and a dog would have revealed so much information about a family, a time and a place? I love Ethel's eyes! they clearly say (as http://www.flickr.com/photos/la_belle_province says) "I want to be somewhere else, please?"

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Sep/2013 15:21:04

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie I'm not sure that the dog is too keen on being photographed either.

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    ccferrie

    • 26/Sep/2013 16:00:46

    Lady Augusta was a descendant of Sir Marcus Crofton 1st Baronet of Mote (d. 1774). It can't be a coincidence that Lady Augusta's granddaughter Ursula Mahon married an Arthur Marcus Crofton in 1928 records.ancestry.com/Ursula_Augusta_Mahon_records.ashx?pi... Ursula

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Sep/2013 17:00:02

    I hereby dub the dog BC, unless and until his actual name shows up.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Sep/2013 17:04:14

    Hon. Arthur Marcus Lowther Crofton was the son of the 4th Baron. Married 4 times, including to our Ursula.

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    Swordscookie

    • 26/Sep/2013 18:24:14

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/ I reckon whatever was attracting Ethel's attention was also attracting beecee?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 26/Sep/2013 22:48:21

    The Dillon Sisters Limerick At Clonbrock, the house of old Earls, On a bench sit these pretty young girls. Best friends we do see With their dog called BC - In broderie, fur and spit curls.

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    Swordscookie

    • 27/Sep/2013 08:45:41

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/ Yay! That's a good one.

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    ccferrie

    • 27/Sep/2013 09:54:36

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley so he was her first cousin once removed and Lady Augusta's nephew

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    John Spooner

    • 27/Sep/2013 10:55:22

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] You're not related to the Mahons of Castlegar by any chance, are you? The Mahon Papers Collection at the NLI has this intriguing entry:

    Ms 47,887/15 c 1843 A small collection of mostly undated and unsigned poems, probably written by family member at various times. Includes 'Bonnie Castlegar', six brief limericks about various historical figures, and a love sonnet, unsigned, dated 23 July 1843, labelled 'for Ross', with a lock of hair attached.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 27/Sep/2013 11:18:46

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner] The locks of hair always make me shudder! Scroll down to see a photo here from a soldier at Navan Barracks...

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 27/Sep/2013 11:27:21

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Ha ha! My maternal grandmother was a Stacpoole-Mahon, bless her - maybe!

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    John Spooner

    • 27/Sep/2013 14:02:32

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Well if things don't work out (123 years being too early to tell) you could always turn Library Towers into a wig factory.

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    kathleenbettilyon

    • 28/Sep/2013 17:29:16

    Adorable

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    jasvirsehmbi

    • 15/Dec/2013 21:53:53

    Wow

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    Douge_S

    • 29/Aug/2014 01:47:57

    Hmm, does the girl on the left (Edith) have dark curls at the top but lighter hair coming out from her bonnet around her neck? Did someone draw in those curls? (They didn't have adobe photoshop back then, did they?) :P Something about it looks a bit off. Maybe it's just me. :)

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    outgoing floor

    • 09/Jun/2015 09:33:09

    Perfect photo, National Library of Ireland on The Commons... =)

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    O Mac

    • 20/Jun/2015 22:58:02

    The next generation....Ediths twins George Edward John and Mary Edith Georgiania Mahon www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/18324062134/in/photostream/