Volunteers Wanted for the Royal Regiment of Artillery

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Where: Northern Ireland, Armagh, United Kingdom

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When: 01 January 1905

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Following up on the postbox that wasn't a postbox, here's a definite letter box embedded in the fine façade of Armagh Post Office on English Street in Armagh, and we have a lovely poster calling for volunteers to the Royal Regiment of Artillery...

Photographer: Almost certainly Robert French of Lawrence Photographic Studios, Dublin

Date: Circa 1905?

NLI Ref.: L_ROY_08125

P.S. Flickr notification saying "Heads up! Flickr will be down for planned maintenance this Friday from 5 AM GMT to about 1 PM GMT and won't be available during that time." I don't plan to get up before 5am tomorrow to upload (you just can't get the staff these days!), but I'll try to get tomorrow's photo up asap after 1pm

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    Gregory PC

    • 12/Sep/2013 07:49:15

    Here's another one from the exact same view - www.flickr.com/photos/proni/6198173616/

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 12/Sep/2013 07:55:46

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregcarey Excellent, and with the same poster in situ, though taken on a gloomier day - no awnings out over the shop fronts! Says Circa 1905, hmmm!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 12/Sep/2013 08:14:53

    Streetview

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    John Spooner

    • 12/Sep/2013 08:17:35

    In 1886, Armagh had seventeen pillar and wall boxes. Every day the Post Office dealt with between 8000 and 9000 letters, about 250 parcels, 250-300 telegrams, as well as all the other services it performed for 22 hours a day. To mark the "extensions, alterations and re-arrangements" which were then almost complete, which had "transformed it into an entirely new office, probably more complete than in any other city of the empire with a similar population" the Belfast News-letter published an article extolling its work on November 12, 1886 Everything you ever wanted to know about Armagh Post Office Take that, Darjeeling!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 12/Sep/2013 08:22:28

    The Royal Regiment of Artillery was created in 1756, per wikipedia

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    Niall McAuley

    • 12/Sep/2013 08:37:19

    I am a bit hesitant to disagree with the formidable research powers of [http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner], but I think the 1886 PO was a different one on Russel Street, and this is the 1900 Post office. The DIA has entries for both.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 12/Sep/2013 08:39:40

    The 1886 one was in opposite this building (streetview).

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    Niall McAuley

    • 12/Sep/2013 08:49:46

    The OS-8-2-1-6 map of 1889-91 shows the Post Office on the South side of Russell Street, opposite the doorway in that streetview. Available but not linkable here. (shakes fist at OSNI) (Takes it back as they have more versions of the OS maps up than the OSI, even if their historic Map Console sucks)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 12/Sep/2013 08:55:48

    This is the Russell Street Post Office. But what a shame it wasn't adorned with such swirly and exuberant moulding/carving? Probably not the sober and respectable image the Royal Mail needed to portray...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 12/Sep/2013 08:57:27

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Laughing at your map access anger versus your sense of fair play!

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    John Spooner

    • 12/Sep/2013 09:13:04

    The reference to "the Mall end of the office" would definitely indicate Russell St, but there was a post office in English Street in 1879 according to a notice of an auction in The Belfast News-Letter, Saturday, August 30, 1879

    LOT 8 - A HOUSE IN ENGLISH STREET, in the City of Armagh, Held in Fee-farm, in the occupation of Mr WIlliam A. Simpson as tenant from year to year, at the Yearly Rent of £30, and Premises held in Fee-farm, on which the Armagh Post Office is built, held by the Post Offices authorities under a lease for ever, at the Yearly Rent of £8 10s.
    later; probably not English St - the house was at the corner of English St and Russel St according to the results of the auction on Sep 4, and the post office was not necessarily adjoining the house. One lot but two plots. BTW it was bought by Mr. W. J. Gray of Portadown for £950.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 12/Sep/2013 09:37:15

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner] The Russell Street post office ran along Russell Street, and there was a corner house next to it on Russell and English street. I wonder if the 1879 Auction was of that corner house plus the Russell Street PO? Streetview shows the corner house with access/frontage on English street today, and the 1889/91 map suggests it did then, too. [Edit: I think we agree!]

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    Niall McAuley

    • 12/Sep/2013 09:38:44

    Anyhoo, I think this photo must date from 1900 or later.

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    John Spooner

    • 12/Sep/2013 09:43:12

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley I think we do!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 12/Sep/2013 09:50:36

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Have changed the date to Circa 1900. I'm working in the stacks this p.m. and will check in street directories if I can for for a time when Bell; Orr's Drug Stores; Billiard Room; Armagh Guardian; City Medical Hall; Mitchell; and the Post Office were co-existing on English Street.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 12/Sep/2013 09:52:22

    The Orrs, of the Drug Store noted above, in the 1901 census. By 1911, younger brother William is in charge.

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    John Spooner

    • 12/Sep/2013 10:39:14

    The building of the new post office was discussed at the weekly meeting of the urban council on Jan 1 1900 (reported the following day in the Belfast News-letter).

    The matter of the errection of the new post-office in English Street was again considered. The councillors objected to the plan of the proposed building, and refused to pass them. They then applied to Mr Barton to use his influence to get the plans altered , and a suitable building erected.
    then a long letter from the Solicitor-General (Dunbar Barton, M.P. for Mid-Armagh) was read out regarding the matter, suggesting a deputation from the council visit Dublin to meet the secretary of the Post Office and the Board of Works, and inviting "the town council, or those who find it convenient to attend, would honour me by lunching with me at the Metropole Hotel, which is near both departments, it would be very gratifying to me". A deputation of six councillors and the borough surveyor (for a fee of £3 3s) was appointed. If the plans weren't agreed at the beginning of 1900 (although the promise of lunch at the Metropole might have hastened the council's approval of the plans), when was the building completed? The stonework doesn't look all that new in the photo, so IMHO form that point of view at least 1905 doesn't sound too far out.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 12/Sep/2013 11:27:39

    Even older Armagh Post Office news: In 1861 Hughes’s was situated at 46 Scotch Street “(opposite the Post Office)”9 9 The Scotch Street Post Office was housed in one of the fine old stone buildings that form the terrace below Leonard Dobbin’s house, later the Bank of Ireland and now St Patrick’s Fold. i.e. somewhere on the left of this streetview

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    Niall McAuley

    • 12/Sep/2013 11:38:48

    1901 Belfast / Ulster Street Directory at Lennon Wylie page: POST OFFICE Postmaster - James Bell, Russell Street 1901 census: Residents of a house 4 in Russell Street (Armagh Town, Armagh) Bell James 55 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland Fermanagh Postmaster

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    Niall McAuley

    • 12/Sep/2013 11:52:11

    In the 1910 census, I can't find a postmaster, but the 1910 Ulster Directory at Lennon Wylie says Andrew Briggs

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    Niall McAuley

    • 12/Sep/2013 12:03:45

    No klaxon required for James Bell just yet, here he is in Rathmines in 1911, a Retired Civil Servant.

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    ccferrie

    • 12/Sep/2013 14:35:21

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner If those Cllrs had a problem with this Post Office design I wonder what they'd make of the current edifice

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 12/Sep/2013 15:28:44

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Right, I bear tidings from the Belfast/Northern Counties directories! Checked 1900 to 1914, and I used shops, etc. that are most obvious in the photo as a dating test group: Bell (not the Post Master); Orr's Drug Stores; Armagh Guardian; City Medical Hall; Mitchell. The Billiard Room was no good as we can't see a name over the door, and most information I found came from the alphabetical "list of inhabitants" of Armagh... N.B. James Bell is listed as Postmaster at Russell Street in 1900 and 1901. The 1902 directory is the first time that James Bell appears as Post Master in English Street! So, according to the directories, possible date range I found for this photo is 1903 to 1913. 1903 is the earliest that all the above are together on English Street, and Mitchell disappears in the 1914 directory... Post Masters in Armagh are... 1900-01: James Bell, Russell Street 1902-03: James Bell, English Street 1904: J. Keogh 1905: Vacant 1906: Andrew Briggs

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    Ken's Aviation

    • 12/Sep/2013 20:55:54

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland I'm enjoying the photos you post and discussions with your very well informed followers. Your flickr stream has motived me to learn more about the history of Ireland and am reading Neil Hegarty's "The Story of Ireland". Facinating. I understand the BBC used it for a recent documentary and am thinking of getting it when available in the US. Keep up the excellent work!

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 12/Sep/2013 22:24:27

    Wondering when electric street lamps arrived in Armagh? They are not apparent here. I have had no luck with the Great God of Google.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 13/Sep/2013 13:55:51

    The 1913 phone book lists the Armagh Gas Light Co. Ltd., (J. Whimster, Manager). No electrical company, though.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 13/Sep/2013 13:58:41

    The 1918 Ulster directory does not list an electrical company in Armagh. On Ballyclare, it says: There is also an electric station, and the town is now lighted by electric light. so it might have mentioned it if Armagh was.

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 13/Sep/2013 21:53:03

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley No help then with the date. Thanks anyway.

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 14/Sep/2013 01:41:10

    Carol, why would you get up before 5am to do anything? The stuff in the Library isn't going to age any further, it can wait for regular business hours....

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    Sean Barden

    • 18/Sep/2013 17:09:02

    See below a few extracts from the Armagh Guardian that add a little to what has already been written above. Armagh Guardian_08-01-1932 Armagh Guardian 8th Jan 1932

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    Sean Barden

    • 18/Sep/2013 17:09:26

    Armagh Guardian 20th Oct 1899 Armagh_Guardian_20-10-1899

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    foss54

    • 16/Mar/2015 15:52:36

    Beautiful image, use the new zoom tool and it is very impressive.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 07/Sep/2015 16:34:11

    I have just added this photo to our 50,000+ Views album. That makes it 100 photos in the album. https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/sets/72157651136879037