Grand Parade in Cork City

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Where: Cork, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1948

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The clutter of car traffic and how it changes streetscapes is really evident in this one compared to our earlier, more open, street scenes. We believed this to be some time between 1930 and 1950. And though it'd be really great if we could tie down a date based on cars, businesses, height of trees (only joking about that last one, but who knows?).

And so the 2 decade range (c.1930-1950) was indeed narrowed to 2 years or so (c.1948-1950).

Date: Catalogue range c.1930-1950. Though likely c.1948-1950.

NLI Ref.: VAL 2251

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    DannyM8

    • 30/Aug/2013 08:07:53

    IN 7252 does not help, its from Kerry IN 1 to IN 9999 (Dec 1903 - Jan 1954)

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    Robinson_Luzo

    • 30/Aug/2013 08:08:23

    While awaiting comments from the more knowledgeable (and those with access to business directories) I'd hazard a guess at after 1939 judging by the lorries. They look like late 1930s models. Unfortunately in pre NCT days you could see some really ancient cars about! The amount of cars suggests late 1940s if it is post 1939.

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    DannyM8

    • 30/Aug/2013 08:10:36

    ZF Helps its Cork City, cannot read the number but it is over 1000 - ZF 1 to ZF 9999 (Aug 1946 - Dec 1958) So post Aug 1946

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    DannyM8

    • 30/Aug/2013 08:12:22

    ZB Helps Cork County ZB 1 to ZB 9999 (Apr 1935 - Apr 1949); So a bit before April 1949. EDIT - all this tells us is that it is quite a bit after 1935.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 30/Aug/2013 08:15:56

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ZF 1078? I put all the reg numbers I could make out in the tags.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 30/Aug/2013 08:20:14

    The Austin A40 Countryman (see note) implies post 1948 according to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_A40_Countryman Miss Potter, the lady who ran my nursery school had a grey one, used to drop the children home - we used to try to be first to sit on the rear wheel arch humps.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 30/Aug/2013 08:26:21

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Amended date upwards to circa 1948 based on the Countryman.

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    DannyM8

    • 30/Aug/2013 08:27:39

    Street View - maps.google.ie/maps?q=Grand+Parade,+Cork&hl=en&ll...

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 30/Aug/2013 08:36:39

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I was just trying to get the streetview - I think the photographer was across the river on Sullivan's Quay - goo.gl/maps/zwv1Q

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    DannyM8

    • 30/Aug/2013 08:39:12

    Is that the Woodford Bourne building at the end of the street (parade) middle right? no help with dating if it is. http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5823913788/in/photolist-9SD5EG-bBApnE-9JkW8E-9Ji76H-7z58TB-8YNqPi

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    DannyM8

    • 30/Aug/2013 08:39:55

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I agree.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 30/Aug/2013 08:50:29

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thanks Danny. Added to map now. Deffo taken from the other side of the Lee.

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    guliolopez

    • 30/Aug/2013 09:22:21

    (A man bursts into the room; "a Cork one" he pants breathlessly "did I miss it?") Deffo Grand Parade. Deffo Sullivan's Quay vantage. Definitely not 1930s (for reasons already stated by others about car reg's and models). Also would note that Henry O'Shea's Bread factory (on left of "the Monument") wasn't there in the 1930s. First appearance at number 54 Grand Parade is in the 1945 directory. Until I have time to apply more science, I would actually bet that this is very early 1950s. (Definitely much later than this 1920s shot, quite a bit earlier than this 1960s one, and probably same time as this VAL collection image which is consecutively numbered and seems to have early 1950s vehicles). PS - I know I'm constantly linking Cork City Library stuff, but here's a history of the Parade if anyone's interested. As with the South Mall, the Grand Parade was originally a channel of the river (hence it's width).

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    Niall McAuley

    • 30/Aug/2013 09:42:53

    FHN is Darlington, MAR 1939 -> JUL 1940

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 30/Aug/2013 09:46:36

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] For a breathless Corkonian, you sure manage to get a lot of information out! :) Though will you not be drummed out of town for using Dublinese like "Deffo"? And linking to Cork City Library stuff is brilliant.

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    DannyM8

    • 30/Aug/2013 09:46:46

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Is Gouldings on the right any help?

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    O Mac

    • 30/Aug/2013 10:07:54

    I see what looks very much like the side of a Morris Minor MM(note). If so then post Sept '48. The fact that they're not all over the place suggests pre '50. The same could be said for the VW Beetle which when assembled in Dublin from 1950 really took off .(not literally). As we've seen, photos of Dublin in the 50's are plagued with them.

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    guliolopez

    • 30/Aug/2013 10:43:14

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Didn't even notice - I clearly spent too long in Dublin :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Maybe I'm having a senior moment: where's "Gouldings on the right"? (Am not seeing what you're seeing I guess).

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    Niall McAuley

    • 30/Aug/2013 11:01:38

    I think it says "BUILDINGS"

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 30/Aug/2013 11:37:47

    "The clutter of car traffic and how it changes streetscapes is really evident in this one compared to our earlier, more open, street scenes." The clutter of 'street furniture' is even worse in the current streetview, and they have just completed a "Grand Parade Streetscape Renewal Project" - goo.gl/maps/ci8ff . Not just in Cork, but I think there is way too much junk, sad trees, signage and poles in all streets now. Bring back open space! What does anyone else think?

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    TEXASJOHN

    • 30/Aug/2013 12:47:48

    Thank you!

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    dorameulman

    • 30/Aug/2013 12:54:56

    I love this photo. Thanks for sharing it.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 30/Aug/2013 13:03:53

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] http://www.flickr.com/photos/dorameulman You're very welcome! Thank you both...

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    DannyM8

    • 30/Aug/2013 13:09:51

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley The Moment was mine, buildings it is.

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    John Spooner

    • 30/Aug/2013 14:49:14

    I've nothing to add to the comments on this photo, but I would like point out that today is the 123rd anniversary of the very first time the NLI issued a book to a reader at its new buildings (after the speechifying and ribbon-cutting by the great and the good the previous day). The book in question was "Lives of the Saints", issued to Canon O'Hanlon of Sandymount, and was the first of about 200 issued that day. Was the Canon one of the many members of the public who came to admire the exquisite carvings and chimneywork and "wonder at petty economy which to save a few pounds spoiled this magnificent room* by furnishing it with the shabby and shoddy articles of the 'weekly payment' system."? (Freeman's Journal Sep 1 1890). *I think he means the 'principal room' rather than the separate reading rooms for men and ladies. Is mixed reading now allowed?

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    guliolopez

    • 30/Aug/2013 16:05:33

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Ah. Right. Thanks for clarifying. It does say Buildings. (In fact if the tree wasn't in the way we would be able to read "Market Buildings".) Unfortunately doesn't help with dating. I might have another peer and poke over the weekend. (No tasteless jokes please. I mean a peer at the rest of the photo and a poke for clues..)

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 30/Aug/2013 21:46:42

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]

    The Peer & Poke in Cork Limerick ... ...

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    Bohpix

    • 30/Aug/2013 22:37:11

    Is it possible to trace some of the car reg. numbers?

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    Bohpix

    • 30/Aug/2013 22:48:48

    Should have read all comments first!! Sorry.

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 30/Aug/2013 23:34:34

    Those cars look 1940s'ish.

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    cooljam1408

    • 01/Sep/2013 04:47:42

    its a really old city

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    Clem Mason

    • 01/Sep/2013 14:38:48

    Great photo of times gone by!

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    billh35

    • 02/Sep/2013 08:33:49

    The Ford Popular E was only built 1953-1959 so the photo is post-1952. It's interesting that in such a busy scene there is not a CIE bus to be seen anywhere!

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 02/Sep/2013 08:52:46

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Begging to differ! The Ford Popular 103E only had two doors, not as in the photo - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Popular. I thought it might be a Ford Prefect - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Prefect_(car) - which then does not help with the date.

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    billh35

    • 02/Sep/2013 09:32:15

    Actually I agree.

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    guliolopez

    • 02/Sep/2013 10:24:14

    Despite concerted peering and poking, I didn't uncover further dating clues over the weekend. So, I think we're settled on (late) 1948, 1949, or 1950. (If it's 1951 or later, then the Valentine collection dates need a broader review).

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Sep/2013 10:28:24

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Overall, the Valentine collection dates from 1903-1960. The Valentines that I've been using here are from a subset that had been classified at 1930-1950, but that was probably ballpark (though not too far outside the ballpark) as we're seeing with this one...

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    Sharkshock

    • 13/Feb/2015 04:19:13

    glad i got to see this. monument was covered in scaffolding though

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 15/Feb/2017 15:04:42

    When I looked at the date range for this photo of 1930 to 1950 I was surprised that a 20 year range was the best the community could do. Then I noticed it was from the Valentine Collection with very tight resolution and no magic megazoom!! I am very happy to add "Grand Parade in Cork City" to our 100,000+ views album, our 19th entry. Check out our most viewed photos below. https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/sets/72157651599255125

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    Niall McAuley

    • 15/Feb/2017 16:41:16

    Erm, in the comments, we narrowed it to 1948-1950?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 15/Feb/2017 22:51:41

    Apologies https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley - You are correct of course. We had updated the date value in the metdata, but hadn't previously updated the date in the descriptive text. Have done so now - Thanks!