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Where: Sligo, Ireland
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When: 01 January 1899
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This rather impressive 1798 memorial gives us a starting point of 1898 for this photo of Market Street in Sligo, where the people were apparently prolific bill posters, but detail on the posters has unfortunately not been picked up by the camera.
P.S. The pristine lady has not weathered well. See her photographed on 27 April 1991.
Date: Circa 1899 to 1907
NLI Ref.: L_ROY_03250
Source: Flickr Commons
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P.S. The pristine lady has not weathered well. See her photographed on 27 April 1991.
Date: Circa 1899 to 1907
NLI Ref.: L_ROY_03250
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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The CommonsSource: Flickr Commons
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ccferrie
Streetview
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Harry DePew, Carpenter
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John Ward, Shopkeeper
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Thomas Curran, Victualler
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thanks for location! Re the brilliantly named De Pews, could this have been taken before 1901 census, given that Harry's only 26. Bridget is a widow and keeping a boarding house in 1901, so might this have been her husband's enterprise?? Just think 26 is young to have your name over the door but could, as ever, be completely wrong! P.S. John Ward is coming through from the other side on your Thomas Curran link!
ccferrie
John Reid, Furniture Broker
ccferrie
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland I was thinking the same thing about the De Pews (nominative determinism for a furniture maker!) There are no Burnses in the vicinity that I can see either. PS fixed that link for Thomas Curran
ccferrie
Michael Currid, Bootmaker
ccferrie
Hibernian House must be the McDarragh Brothers drapery business and the building beyond that is O'Donnell's pub All in all, a very close match to the 1901 census information
derangedlemur
About the only datable technology artefact is the ladies' safety bicycle in the shop window. It's at least 1890, probably later.
ccferrie
Henry DePew went on to stand for election (unsuccessfully) to the the 4th Dáil Éireann electionsireland.org/candidate.cfm?ID=1330 and in 1922, Harry Depew, a "Free State Laborite", was defeated in the election for Mayor of Sligo query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F70812F83E5E1A... (pdf)
DannyM8
The Lady Erin Monument Designed by the Dublin sculptor Herbert G. Barnes, the memorial, which is over sixteen feet high, was unveiled on September 3rd 1898 in front of a crowd of several thousand people. The Lady Erin Monument also serves as a marker to signify the centric 1 mile maker to distinguish between the areas of Sligo Borough Council and Sligo County Council. A circle, with the statue at it's centre and stretching out 1 mile (1.6k) encompasses an area of 3,143 acres, the official responsibility land mass of Sligo Borough Council. www.sligotown.net/ladyerin.shtml
ccferrie
Maria Ward had a three year old son in the 1901 census - if only we could see the babe in arms in this photo we might be able to date it more accurately!
derangedlemur
I see streetview has blurred the monument's face.
ccferrie
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] a compliment to the sculptor!
Niall McAuley
I can't make out much on the posters: Lawn Mower Woods Ltd Cycles Meeting Town Hall Galway
Niall McAuley
What is the name on the shop beyond Currid? In 1901's census, i think it should be McDarragh In 1911, it should be McPharlane. But I don't think it is either. On the awning, the first initial seems to be K, and the name ends in H & Co. On the shopfront sign, it could say McDo... K. McDonagh, maybe?
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Interesting that the Currids (unusual name) had 3 Jewish boarders, one born in Russia, and Harry De Pew above was born in New York. Great cosmopolitan background for one small Sligo street...
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Must be a lot later - this photo is definitely after 3 September 1898 (thanks http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected])
DannyM8
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Photo before the Statue catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000336310
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] The businesses that are legible on the left side in your "Photo before the Statue" are: Kilcallin M. Conry's Woollen Hall R. Gallagher Currid and on the right, just W. Sleater...
O Mac
This is very confusing...In the picture the ground around the statue is relatively clean and level but in this photo it is not and there are four wheel stones that are missing in above. The statue in the Eason photograph is very manky suggesting it has been there a while. Which picture came first? Were the four stones removed and the street levelled?. The hardware is Nelson's and there's no De Pews either? Any ideas?
derangedlemur
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Wheel stones tend to be an afterthought once a structure gets rammed a few times.
derangedlemur
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] My favourite bit of streetview blurring is this: maps.google.ie/maps?q=Wicklow&hl=en&ll=52.9824,-6...
Niall McAuley
Another angle with wheel stones.
ccferrie
Francis Nelson, Jeweller and Hardware Merchant
ccferrie
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] LOL
ccferrie
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] There is another Currid across the road in 1901 working as a domestic servant www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Sligo/Sligo_Wes... And one of the Jewish boarders was still with the Currids in 1911 www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Sligo/Sligo_Eas... albeit it seems with a different son in tow
Niall McAuley
Two more "before" shots? No, those are the other end of Castle Street, this lone lampost is in the background of my Another angle above.
ccferrie
In the Eason's photo it looks like DePew's shop is now owned by a McSharry but there is no-one of that name on Market St in the 1911 census
Niall McAuley
I think there are flower pots in the window at right, not a face
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
By and large, you can take it that Eason photos in our collections run between 1900ish and 1940ish, but nothing before 1900.
O Mac
I feel that the photograph was taken after 31st March 1901and before 1911. The 1901 has a Michael McPharlane living and selling porter at house No 6 Market Street. By 1911 census time he had moved up a house to No 7 that in 1901 was lived in by a tailor, Peter Tiernan and his family( who by 1911 had moved up in the world to house No 1 in High Street). There are two porter barrels outside house No 7. which wouldn't make sense for a tailor to have. Had the picture been taken on or before 31st March1901 the barrels would be outside House No 6. Reid and his two daughters are in House No 2 in 1901 but gone by 1911 ( he would have been 81 and had probably died and the girls ( 45and 47 by then) have bailed---- and who'd blame them ----the state of the place!!!. Unless someone else took over his thriving business there wouldn't be any of his stuff on the street in 1911... ....be worth a good few bob now? The census people have the derelict house as No 1 ( but not listed---because unoccupied) and must have taken the one below it as being part of Nelson's concern which was on the corner with Castle Street. House No 4 is interesting when comparing the two censi or censusses Censuses, that's the one.
ccferrie
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Interesting points - I'd be careful about assuming the house numbering is the same in both censuses though. No. 6 in 1901 could be split into two houses in 1911 which would leave McPharlane in the same place. There is a possibility that it is pre-1901 census which would explain why Burns & DePew's names are still above the door on the right. But I agree, Hibernian House holds the key!
O Mac
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Possibly or joined as one?. It's a pity there isn't a building return for 1911. I was right about No 1.The return marks it a warehouse. The McDonaghs moved from No 4 to Castle Street too. The OSI map shows houses No's 6 and 7 missing?? At least this dates map as post photo and possibly post 1911
ccferrie
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] The OS Map was surveyed in June 1910 and published in June 1913
O Mac
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Thanks..... The McDonagh Brothers had moved from Hibernia House to Castle Street by 1907. DIA Brings date down a bit.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Circa 1899 to 1907 then??
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
I have just added this photo to our 50,000+ Views Album. https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/sets/72157651136879037
BeachcomberAustralia
The earlier photo is now (20/12/17) on Flickr - https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/38444487184/
BeachcomberAustralia
Flickr is sometimes amazing ... Mr Valentine was there at a similar time, but lower and with 1/12/1903 date - https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2344497330/