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Where: Northern Ireland, Londonderry, United Kingdom

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When: 01 January 1907

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... at the Diamond in Derry! But the reason I picked this one was for the excellent capture of a lamplighter in his natural environment, complete with carty ladder or laddery cart. Could he be doing maintenance work?

Date: Circa 1907? (definitely after 1906)

NLI Ref.: L_ROY_02895

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    DannyM8

    • 22/Mar/2013 11:09:42

    The shop is Austins now and they celebrated 180 years recently - seems it was also Austins then. NOTE - I think you may be correct about the SALE

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 22/Mar/2013 11:16:02

    I think they are electric lights c.1910 design.

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    DannyM8

    • 22/Mar/2013 11:17:21

    From DIA Building: CO. DERRY, DERRY, DIAMOND, AUSTIN'S DEPARTMENT STORE Date: 1906 Rebuilding after fire; 'an imaginative, flamboyant design, with bold modelling which admirably expresses the function of the place'.

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    DannyM8

    • 22/Mar/2013 11:19:52

    Building looks the same today. But that would suggest post 1906 Perhaps the 1906 work was internal ??

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 22/Mar/2013 11:22:03

    Oooh, much later than I thought then http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia. Moving this one to circa 1900 until you come up with the goods on the c.1910 date. All laughing at the unsubtle Sale signs aside, I was wondering if trumpeting a Sale like this was quite a modern phenomenon and might help a little with dating too... Thanks http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]! Now added to map.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 22/Mar/2013 11:26:23

    Similar lamps designed for the City of Sydney in 1912 - history.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/sydneystreets/Minding_the... . Now where was that page with all the info about Dublin street lights ... ... ?

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    DannyM8

    • 22/Mar/2013 11:27:18

    Seven generations have shared pride in Austins' magnificent department store, the first of its kind in anywhere in the world. The story began away back in 1830. Then, just six years before the catastrophic famine, the population of Ireland was twice what it is today.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 22/Mar/2013 11:28:58

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Nudged along to circa 1907, thank you.

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    DannyM8

    • 22/Mar/2013 11:29:08

    Thomas Austin moved to the city from Limavady to start his drapery business in the Diamond. His son George joined him in 1865 and in his time the flamboyant and imaginative building we have today was built between 1904 and 1907 after the original was destroyed by fire.

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    Conor1970

    • 22/Mar/2013 11:37:52

    The place look spotless.

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    Gerry Ward

    • 22/Mar/2013 11:38:16

    The building dates from 1906, designed by Ballykelly architect Matthew Robinson (1872-1929): Austin's Department Store, The Diamond, Derry All Rights Reserved. ⓒ Copyright Gerry Ward 2006.

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    Philip Ward

    • 22/Mar/2013 11:42:08

    How neat and tidy everything is.The park seems to be a male only bastion.

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    DannyM8

    • 22/Mar/2013 11:45:03

    Diamond park looks to be just finished DIA have a note but no Date - if we can find when it was laid out we should be close to the date.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 22/Mar/2013 11:46:09

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Probably wouldn't have been very ladylike to be loitering in the park. The women clearly visible are examining the pottery in Thomas Gordon at no. 12, and the sale items in Austin's.

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    Gerry Ward

    • 22/Mar/2013 11:47:12

    Just noticed that the current streetlights (in my 2006 photo) are 'styled' the same as the ones above!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Mar/2013 11:49:48

    The 1908 OS map still has a building here, not a park (the school of art).

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    John Spooner

    • 22/Mar/2013 11:57:13

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland The OED has citations for 'sale' as A special disposal of shop goods at rates lower than those usually charged in order to get rid of them rapidly, e.g. at the end of a ‘season’. going as far back as 1866, and the Ulster Arcade in Belfast trumpet their annual winter clearance sale in the Belfast Newsletter in 1880 (and probably earlier). If they trumpet them in the papers, they'd probably do also do fanfares on the shopfronts. So no help there. STOP PRESS: I've found an advert for a 'clearance sale' at Pantechnethica, 46 & 48 High St, Belfast in the Belfast Newsletter for Jan 15 1847. The advert kindly explains what a clearance sale is, so it had proably been coined fairly recently. Edit: Advert for in Freemen's for a clearance sale in 1830 Please excuse me for a few minutes while I get on the hotline to the OED.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 22/Mar/2013 12:04:28

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Oh well, that's the Sale theory quashed then. But good to have that knowledge under our belts for future photos. And of course you're excused! :)

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    DannyM8

    • 22/Mar/2013 12:06:24

    www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002838800/ The Austins in 1911

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    John Spooner

    • 22/Mar/2013 12:12:02

    ... and 'winter sale' in 1806.

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    Gerry Ward

    • 22/Mar/2013 12:14:22

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] From Samuel Lewis' Topographical Dictionary of Ireland - City of Londonderry 1831:

    The corporation hall in the centre of the Diamond, and on the site of the original town house built by the Irish Society in 1622, was erected by the corporation in 1692, and till 1825, when it was rebuilt by the corporation, was called the market house or exchange; the south front, in which is the principal entrance, is circular. The upper story contains a common council room, an assembly-room, and an ante-chamber On the ground floor, which was formerly open for the sale of meal and potatoes, but was closed in 1825, is a news room, established by the corporation in that year.
    The Guildhall was built between 1887 and 1890 at a new location in Shipquay Place and the Corporation Hall was demolished after that – although I cannot find out when, as yet.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Mar/2013 12:34:57

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gerryward Londonderry School of Art The School was formerly housed in the old Corporation Hall, which had been altered and renovated for the purpose at a cost of £1,250. It now occupies the top floor of the new Technical Schools opened in 1908.

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    DannyM8

    • 22/Mar/2013 12:50:01

    From Derry Central Library's photostream. http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5062204245/ The Diamond Derry/Londonderry The War Memorial in the Diamond was erected in1927. Before this it was laid out in gardens since the old Town Hall burnt down.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Mar/2013 12:51:19

    Here is an older nli image, with the Corporation hall still present. The Medical Hall is in that one, too (but not Austin's, of course).

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 22/Mar/2013 12:53:59

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/gerryward] Remember our clockless Guildhall of 1890?

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    Gerry Ward

    • 22/Mar/2013 13:13:05

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Yes, taken from about where Sir Robert Ferguson's statue is above.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Mar/2013 13:14:41

    As far as I can tell, the 1911 census doesn't record a school of art at the Diamond, but in 1901, here it is , Mr. Kennedy, caretaker, in residence.

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    Kanagaratnam

    • 22/Mar/2013 14:39:26

    nice

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    Joefuz

    • 22/Mar/2013 15:52:53

    Wile nice photie, hi! (as they might say in Derry)

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    O Mac

    • 22/Mar/2013 16:11:11

    Re; Date 1907 above. Austin themselves say their building was built between 1904 and 1907. Considering the substantial staining evident I would deduce that the above photograph was taken some time after 1907. Archiseek have illustrations and accounts of both early and later market exchanges already mentioned here

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 22/Mar/2013 21:30:52

    The Austin '07 Limerick When there's a SALE on at Austin You really can't better their costin' - Retail therapy heaven Since nineteen-o-seven - Ugh! Shoppin' is so, so exhaustin'.

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    Paul-M-W

    • 04/Apr/2013 18:08:41

    It always gets me just how perfect the lighting conditions always seem to be on these old shots. And look how clean that square is!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 08/Apr/2013 10:12:58

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulmichaelwilson Immaculate, though it was very new! Littering just wasn't the issue then that it is now. Waste not, want not attitude? Much less packaging?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 09/Jun/2013 08:13:36

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Hmm - clear lamp shades on yours.

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    O Mac

    • 09/Jun/2013 10:02:43

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Well spotted.Maybe they are now electric?. I reckon this postcard photo was taken a year or two later. The wee tree (under lamp to right) has grown a bit and the stick that was supporting it has gone.