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Where: Cork, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1910

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This pier should be somewhere near our Telegraph and Post Office at Adrigole in West Cork. Hoping that Peg of Peg's Shop in Adrigole (via Bearaboy) may have some information about this one too…

Date: 1906-1917

NLI Ref.: OCO 276

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    guliolopez

    • 11/Mar/2013 10:18:23

    Bing maps link (for a change)

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    guliolopez

    • 11/Mar/2013 10:19:31

    Street view

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Mar/2013 10:36:05

    The boat is the S.S Betty Balfour of the Bantry Bay Steamship Company: www.westcork.org/coppermine2/displayimage.php?album=1&...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 11/Mar/2013 10:36:45

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Both gratefully accepted! :)

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Mar/2013 10:40:29

    Transferred 1906 from River Shannon to Bantry~Glengariff service Owner History: Shannon Development Co, Dublin 1917 Nicholas Cook, Aberdeen www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=13143

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Mar/2013 10:42:22

    So the photo is between 1906 and 1917, it would appear.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 11/Mar/2013 10:53:31

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thank you! Great to be able to narrow the date...

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Mar/2013 11:07:59

    I'm busy now, but the quay looks very new and shiny. If you could get a building date for it it'd probably narrow it down further.

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    guliolopez

    • 11/Mar/2013 12:17:18

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] "the quay looks very new and shiny". Indeed. Probably fairly new at time of photo. It doesn't seem to show in the 6" (1829-41) or 25" (1897-1913) OSI maps. So probably built not long before photo was taken. maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,481295,549184,6,3

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    O Mac

    • 11/Mar/2013 13:32:00

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Any chance that we could see this? Old Notice of Bantry Steamship Co

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 11/Mar/2013 13:35:37

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] You may indeed! Please hold, your call is important to us... :)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 11/Mar/2013 14:02:24

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] So does that leave us between your 1913 and http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]'s 1917??

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Mar/2013 14:09:02

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Survey date on the 25" sheet is 1896, so unfortunately that doesn't narrow it down. The quay was presumably built by either the Bantry Bay Steamship Company or by some public office. There must be a record somewhere.

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Mar/2013 14:45:30

    The 1911 census doesn't have any nautical professions listed for either Adrigole or Drumlave. If it was built then, you'd expect somebody to be associated with it.

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Mar/2013 15:02:45

    Ah, wait - Cappaleigh: Dunne Eugene Cappaleigh South Ardigole Cork 23 M Co Cork Pier Agent R Catholic Read and etc

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Mar/2013 15:04:25

    So, built by 1911, by the looks of it, as I don't see any other pier on the map (at least not on that side, anyway - I suppose he could be rowing across to Reen).

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Mar/2013 18:05:14

    Turns out our pier agent was a subversive: www.bureauofmilitaryhistory.ie/reels/bmh/BMH.WS1537.pdf

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    O Mac

    • 11/Mar/2013 18:47:44

    I believe the steamer is the 'SS Princess Beara'. She has four life rings on her bridge rails as in this picture. The Betty Balfour may have been named after the famous actress who, born in 1903 didn't come to prominence until after 1920 which post dates the above photograph. The S.S Betty Balfour was the last ship of the Bantry Bay Steamship Company when it closed in 1946 The word 'Beara' is just about legible on her bow. "subversive"........careful

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Mar/2013 19:08:59

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I don't see where in that report you've found mention of the Betty Balfour. It can't be named after the actress as it was built in 1898. The Princaess Beara still belonged to the Bantry Bay Steamship Company when it closed: www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=15726

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Mar/2013 19:16:36

    I don't think it's the Princess Beara - it doesn't have the white stripe at the bow and it looks a different shape: www.westcork.org/coppermine2/displayimage.php?album=1&...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 11/Mar/2013 20:25:25

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I take both your points about the steamer, but a colleague and myself looked at the name on the prow, and were trying to make Balfour fit the letters. I have to say that Beara is a better fit for the lettering...

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    O Mac

    • 11/Mar/2013 20:28:59

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] just stirring the pot........whatever you think yourself... Your IRA friend Eugene Dunne was agent at Castletownbere not Adrigole :)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 11/Mar/2013 20:32:39

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Re "subversive", I think you have to bear in mind that Mr Dunne's activities took place for the most part during the War of Independence.

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    derangedlemur

    • 12/Mar/2013 07:11:55

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland You could be right about the boat. What I took to be a front view of the PB is actually a stern view. It has a very pointy stern.

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    derangedlemur

    • 12/Mar/2013 07:20:22

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Dunne was in Castletownbere in 1917/1918. I didn't see anywhere that he was there in 1911, when the census has him in Cappaleigh South (though obviously he could have been visiting his parents during the survey).

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    DannyM8

    • 12/Mar/2013 08:03:25

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Dunne, never seemed to get to the heart of the action, he was always just a few steps behind. Though he did "his bit"

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    derangedlemur

    • 12/Mar/2013 09:10:51

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] According to his statement, at any rate. I've no idea if these statements are reliable or if he would have had reason to either elaborate or minimise his role. The statement is from after his release, so I presume he wouldn't have much incentive to minimise his role, though I suppose if he was looking to work for the state he might have portrayed himself as a peripheral player. Not that there's any reason to suspect that it's not the unvarnished truth, mind you.

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    O Mac

    • 13/Mar/2013 10:10:45

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Ah- sure, maybe after taking this lovely photograph Mr O Connor raced on out to catch the Princess Beara steaming into Castletownbere ......... but not before going back to have another look at the post office

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    Ghost Radio

    • 14/Mar/2013 18:16:28

    Kayak and sailing centre based at pier now. Things change.

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    BearaBoy

    • 20/Mar/2013 17:17:42

    Adrigole Harbour Masters and Post Masters Finn Sullivan, who sadly died very recently, was interviewed in 2007; below are his recollections regarding the content of this photo, and of his uncle, Eugene Dunne. I know that were he still with us he would have been delighted to pass on this info. Finn Sullivan was bom in Harbour View House (located just to the right of where this photograph was taken). His grandfather, Daniel Dunne, was a fisherman and the Harbour Master in Adrigole overseeing the unloading of supplies from the SS Lady Elsie, an eighty-seven foot-long steel plated ship with a compound steam engine that had been built in Greenock in 1906 and was captained by Redmond Clarke. In later years Daniel's only son Eugene took over the position of Harbour Master and was in charge of transport and business on the pier, namely managing the cargo from the SS Princess Beara, a one hundred and fifteen foot long, steel plated vessel that had been built in Greenock in 1901, captained by Dan McCarthy and delivered essential provisions for the shops including farm equipment and cement. Finn recalls that, “All the provisions were stored in the big shed on the pier and there was a flagstaff above it and if things were quiet and no provisions were required the flag was hoisted so that the Princess Beara need not call to the pier”. The Bantry Bay Steamship Company had been providing a goods service from Bantry to Glengarriff and Castletownbere but passengers were also carried. In 1906 the Cork, Bandon and South Coast Railway provided a sum of two thousand pounds for the purchase of the new steamer, the Lady Elsie, which went into service in 1906 replacing the Lady Balfour. Initially, the Lady Elsie ran between Bantry and Glengarriff the journey taking forty-five minutes and cost the passenger one shilling and five pence, “The Lady Elsie was the first ship people in the area remember; its route was Bantry, Glengarriff, Adrigole, Bere Island, and Castletownbere. The ship took emigrants away from Adrigole and when passengers reached Bantry they took the train to Cork.” The first train from Cork to Bantry ran on the 4th July 1881. “My own father took that boat with his sister Mary; my father was the eldest boy in the family and he went to America with the eldest girl in the family, Mary Sullivan from Rock House, Adrigole. They arrived on Ellis Island in 1923 and Mary never returned to Ireland; she settled in Boston where she married Michael Sullivan from Faha East, Adrigole, and had three children. Mary was widowed when Michael was killed on the docks in an accident.” The Princess Beara provided a goods service only and sailed weekly from Castletownbere at eight thirty in the morning and returning to Bantry Pier at 1.00pm where it connected with trains from Cork. Eventually the Princess Beara was withdrawn from service in 1948 and sold for six thousand pounds making the crew of seven redundant. A road by lorry from Bantry to Castletownbere had resulted in a decline in traffic by sea. Eugene Dunne moved to Bere Island where he was Harbour Master while the navy fleet was based there and his sister Margaret took over the running of supplies at the pier. The navy eventually left Bere Island in 1932. It was at this time that labourers working on the Healy Pass earned one shilling and sixpence a day to build the winding road. Eugene owned a salmon seine and Finn recalls that the “Keohanes of Bantry used to fish for Eugene in Adrigole, and the Downey brothers of Whiddy Island, in later years”. Eugene had one of the first radios in Adrigole in 1940 powered by batteries; the ESB came to Beara in 1952, the signal was brought from Mullaghanish Mountain in Ballyvourney and Eugene installed one of the first televisions in 1963. Eugene Dunne started a general store on the main Glengarriff/Castletownbere road that sold everything, including suits, timber, boots, shoes and groceries. In the early days he was assisted by his niece Maura Dunne until her marriage to Jack O'Sullivan Thady of Droumlave. Finn's sister Maureen then helped to run the store until her marriage to Paddy McEvoy, from Hazel Hatch, County Kildare. The post office came to the store on the 4th February 1959 under the management of Eugene Dunne. Eugene’s nephew, Finn Sullivan, took on the management of the post office in 1960. “When I took over the Post Office,” Finn remembers, “there were also three or four Gardai and a Sergeant in the parish. In the post office there was a telephone switchboard and two Postmen who used bikes; later it was reduced to one man who used a motorcycle and in later years a motor van.” Finn's son Declan and his wife Orla took over the post office in 1999 and ran the business until they made the decision to close the shop and post office on the 24th September 2004. The Postal Agency was transferred (back) to Peg’s Shop. In recent times many rural post offices on the Beara Peninsula have been closed down. The 1940s saw a huge exodus of people from Adrigole but now new businesses such as the West Cork Sailing and Powerboating Centre at the Pier House (located on the site of the old pier shed) are very progressive and a real asset to the area.”

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    BearaBoy

    • 20/Mar/2013 17:28:19

    Would you like to see a photo of Eugene Dunne? I've uploaded one in my photostream (only 'cos I can't figure out how to insert a link here...)

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    derangedlemur

    • 20/Mar/2013 17:54:39

    Like this: Eugene Dunne

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    derangedlemur

    • 20/Mar/2013 17:55:51

    Go to your photo, click share and choose the "Grab the HTML/BBCode" option. Then cut'n'paste it into your comment. Thanks for sharing the photo and the history with us.

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    BearaBoy

    • 20/Mar/2013 18:16:09

    Many thanks, DL! Just couldn't get my head around the 'Want to format your comment?' option; yours sounds so much more straightforward! Will know for next time...

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    BearaBoy

    • 20/Mar/2013 18:34:24

    I've also uploaded a shot of the SS Lady Elsie...

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    O Mac

    • 20/Mar/2013 20:17:02

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thanks for giving Finn Sullivan's wonderful account of the people and of those little steam ships of Bantry Bay. and your photograph of the Lady Elsie. Fantastic. Here's the Lady Elsie's lovely backside. Is that the Princess Beara in the above photo?? http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/8574871757/in/photostream

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    Ghost Radio

    • 20/Mar/2013 20:28:44

    www.flickr.com/photos/hinkleberry/8575959550/

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    O Mac

    • 20/Mar/2013 21:29:15

    And another picture of the Lady Elsie at Glengarriff

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 20/Mar/2013 21:56:11

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/hinkleberry Exactly the same spot - Thanks very much!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 20/Mar/2013 21:58:56

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thanks a million! Eugene Dunne now very definitely added to our tags, and absolutely love the photograph!

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    BearaBoy

    • 20/Mar/2013 22:38:28

    Here's Elsie: Lady Elsie

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    guliolopez

    • 21/Mar/2013 15:36:30

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Spot on. Maith an fear! GRMA

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    BearaBoy

    • 04/Apr/2013 21:28:30

    This is how the view of Adrigole Pier looks today: IMG_2183-001 I've uploaded this in my photostream.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 08/Apr/2013 10:11:12

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thanks for letting us see this!

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    BearaBoy

    • 27/Apr/2013 15:17:11

    I recently discovered another photo of Elsie, unloading in Glengarriff... lady_elsie2