Telegraph Office, but where? Adrigole, that's where!

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Where: Cork, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1921

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I had hoped that this one would be a fiendishly difficult challenge, and so it proved! This is from our Fergus O'Connor Collection, and all that we had on it was Post and telegraph office: exterior view in an unidentified, rural location. I asked if we could improve on this?

Yes, we could! See the comments below for dogged pursuit of an elusive location - definitely Adrigole in West Cork. More tentative was derangedlemur's suggestion that the gentleman in the photo above was Jeremiah Cronin, 28, teacher and husband of Hannah Cronin, 31, Post Mistress, but that too proved to be the case!

All of us here at the National Library would like to thank BearaBoy for going above and beyond the call on this one. He tracked down Peg O'Sullivan, then aged 96, who was a goldmine of Adrigole memories. She knew Jeremiah because he taught the boys in her school, and he was married to Nan Cronin, the postmistress at Adrigole. Peg herself worked in the “new” Adrigole post office from 1934. Our thanks, and very best regards to Peg of Peg's Shop in Adrigole (1916-2016) a mighty woman with a formidable memory!

Photographer: Fergus O'Connor

Collection: Fergus O'Connor Collection

Date: Around 1919-23

NLI Ref.: OCO 26

You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie

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    Swordscookie

    • 10/Jan/2013 09:51:13

    There's a Garda station in Co. Cork with a background just like that one but I am not sure of the name. I think it might be Aghadoe. It is probably closed now after all the cuts.

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    ccferrie

    • 10/Jan/2013 10:12:52

    From the shadows on the window reveals it looks like the building is facing south with a strong westerly breeze blowing the smoke from the chimney.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 10/Jan/2013 10:18:29

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    ccferrie

    • 10/Jan/2013 10:20:08

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia -- . / -. . .. - .... . .-.

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    martindevlin

    • 10/Jan/2013 10:34:35

    Have you noticed there are two dotty individuals in this morning, sorry must dash ! Nothing useful to add as to the location

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    derangedlemur

    • 10/Jan/2013 11:04:45

    Yeah, it looks like Cork, Kerry, Wicklow or Antrim alright.

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    derangedlemur

    • 10/Jan/2013 11:22:55

    Actually, aside from the frochan rock glen (which it isn't) it doesn't look much like Wicklow.

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    derangedlemur

    • 10/Jan/2013 11:47:05

    If anyone feels like going on a streetview splurge, here's a few candidates to start with: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,480398,565971,3,9

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    blackpoolbeach

    • 10/Jan/2013 11:52:54

    Here is an almost similar building, "Telegraph Office Shop in Kilchrohane" www.geolocation.ws/v/W/File:Telegraph%20Office%20-%20geog...

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    derangedlemur

    • 10/Jan/2013 11:55:58

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpoolbeach Interesting. That's the first place I looked after looking at google earth too. I didn't notice that building though. Streetview, needless to say, is bugger all use.

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    derangedlemur

    • 10/Jan/2013 12:02:52

    Though the one thing streetview does show is that there's no chimney on the west gable end of the building but there is two windows in it, so there was probably never a chimney there. maps.google.ie/maps?q=kilcrohane&hl=en&ll=51.5806...

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    blackpoolbeach

    • 10/Jan/2013 12:09:48

    Even if it is not the right place, there is a DOG

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 10/Jan/2013 12:14:32

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpoolbeach And that's always the most important thing! :D

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    Niall McAuley

    • 10/Jan/2013 12:18:43

    The OS 25" of Kilcrohane is from 1898, and the P.O. does not look detached. Flipping between that and the modern street map, it seems that the building with three dormer windows was already joined to the larger building to the East by then.

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    ccferrie

    • 10/Jan/2013 12:21:06

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I don't think it's the same building - the proportions are not the same - but I think we're in the right area. The dormer window detail is characteristic of the Cork/Kerry region.

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    derangedlemur

    • 10/Jan/2013 12:42:51

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] So's the mountain.

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    Vab2009

    • 10/Jan/2013 16:00:21

    I would lay my bets that is not Antrim - the type of rock seems so unlike the limestone or basalt areas of a lot of Antrim.

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    spesnova10

    • 10/Jan/2013 16:25:22

    Could this be Adrigole atthe base of Hungry Hill?

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    Swordscookie

    • 10/Jan/2013 16:56:53

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] (spesnova10) I got the name wrong and wrote Aghadoe (which is in Kerry) and it was Adrigole I had intended to write but it eluded me at the time. A friend of mine was stationed down there and that's the name of the hill alright "Hungry Hill". I remember seeing a photograph of him outside his station and it was similar to this. I reckon it is Adrigole Carol.

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    derangedlemur

    • 10/Jan/2013 17:03:43

    Here's adrigole bridge PO. I'd written it off earlier - I think it's set too low down from the road. maps.google.ie/maps?q=Adrigole,+Cork&hl=en&ll=51....

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    derangedlemur

    • 10/Jan/2013 17:05:32

    And here's the hill, if there was just a house in the right place: maps.google.ie/maps?q=Adrigole,+Cork&hl=en&ll=51....

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    Reconstructing Light

    • 10/Jan/2013 17:51:32

    Looks like this place, a bit, whose exact location I forget, although I know I drove along the road shown above in Googlemaps. www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6801184203/sizes/o/in/...

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    Swordscookie

    • 10/Jan/2013 18:33:40

    Looking at photographs of Adrigole I found this http://www.flickr.com/photos/caroline/274006754/in/photostream/and if you imagine being in closer then Hungry Hill in the background would have similar rock formations and a similar steepness?

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    derangedlemur

    • 10/Jan/2013 18:42:19

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie] I'm not convinced. Look at where the post office is. Not only that, but there are no houses that could get you that view except the glenbrook hotel and it's plainly not that. maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,481065,550493,7,9

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    derangedlemur

    • 10/Jan/2013 18:43:36

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Looks promising. We could all be barking up the wrong tree.

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    derangedlemur

    • 10/Jan/2013 18:44:50

    Lets see what the OSI 25" says about post offices south of Clonmel...

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    derangedlemur

    • 10/Jan/2013 19:25:24

    Nope. There don't appear to be any post offices in the mountains themselves.

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    DannyM8

    • 11/Jan/2013 03:34:50

    I go away for a few weeks and ye can't manage to find a post office!!

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Jan/2013 07:15:19

    This one is unexpectedly difficult. We know from the sun but more particularly the rock formation that it probably faces south or southwest. We know it's a post office from the plaque over the door. It's got a weird chimney, a big steep hill and quite a distinctive bare rock formation, and yet nothing marked as a post office on the OSI in Cork, Kerry, Clare, Waterford or Connemara seems to match. OSI even helps here by letting you highlight all post offices in red on the 25". Maybe it's on one of the missing sheets like Lugnaquilla or Glendalough. There's probably more missing around Carrantuohill and Brandon.

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    ccferrie

    • 11/Jan/2013 13:50:08

    Any chance it could be Cape Clear Post Office? No streetview available unfortunately but the orientation is right. Not sure there would be such a big hill behind it though. EDIT: on second thoughts it does seem to have a hill rising behind it. maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,496212,521639,5,3 The building may no longer be there - the current OS Map shows a larger building footprint than the historic one. The chimney cap detail can be seen on other old Clear houses but the Clear houses tend to have a raised verge detail on the roof.

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Jan/2013 14:29:18

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Don't think so: www.flickr.com/photos/rhubarbcrumbleandcustard/7181349746...

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Jan/2013 14:32:20

    For all that it looks like the area around Castletownbere, I don't think it's west Cork at all. I've checked every likely looking post office from the 25" and none of them match properly.

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    ccferrie

    • 11/Jan/2013 14:38:19

    Scrap that I found an image of Cape Clear Post Office - not the same building :-( http://www.flickr.com/photos/rhubarbcrumbleandcustard/7181349746/

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    ccferrie

    • 11/Jan/2013 14:38:59

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] sorry - cross posted

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Jan/2013 14:40:18

    Zwei Doofen, ein Gedanken!

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    ccferrie

    • 11/Jan/2013 14:40:26

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] A pity OSI doesn't cover Antrim - it might be more difficult to locate the Post Offices on the OSNI website.

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Jan/2013 14:48:32

    Can you think of any bits of Antrim that look like that? Even round Dunluce, it's not that blasted and melty looking (though I don't think that's igneous rock, I think it's eroded limestone).

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    Brian_Fornear

    • 11/Jan/2013 15:06:27

    Don't know if this is any help..Wireless Telegraph Stations in Great Britain & Ireland in 1910 coastradio.intco.biz/uk/1912.htm

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    robinparkes

    • 11/Jan/2013 15:16:26

    I'm convinced it's in the Cork/Kerry area. It's definitely not Antrim. There's no landscape to match that bare rock. It's so like the Burren but on a slope.

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    guliolopez

    • 11/Jan/2013 15:40:06

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I'm also convinced it's Cork/Kerry, but can't add anything to the search. http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I don't think this will help too much. This list is of wireless stations - I expect the station pictured is a "wired" telegraph office.

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    rjbutler201

    • 11/Jan/2013 17:27:38

    I also think it must be Cork/Kerry - the stone is almost definitely old red sandstone, like what you see on the road between Glengarriff and Castletownbere: maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=glengarriff&ll=51.665848,-9.... Is there any chance a (-n even) higher resolution scan might reveal what is on the board above the door, or on the gable wall? I don't think this is it, as the background is probably not right, but I wonder if someone knows Kerry pretty well and the (now ruined) post office at Kells on the road to Cahirciveen? It was near the old railway line to Valentia. I thought of it as that metal gate to the right of the house is quite like a level-crossing gate.... maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,456019,586577,7,9

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    henrylyne

    • 11/Jan/2013 18:56:37

    This certainly looks like it could be on the southern side of the Beara peninsula. Adrigole or just west of there are good candidates, but I can't find any house that looks like that in the area. There are not many places, with houses, where the main road goes that close to that kind of hill. Assuming it is near a main road if it is a telegraph office. It would be nice to be able to read more of the sign in front, or on the side of the building. Or perhaps there are other similar photos from the area? I believe the rock is called red sandstone.

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    ccferrie

    • 11/Jan/2013 20:37:00

    rjbutler201 raises an interesting point about the railway. That sign on the gable wall puzzles me. Why would you have a street sign on the gable of such a rural building? If it was attached to a railway line it might explain this.

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    DannyM8

    • 11/Jan/2013 20:40:46

    I am voting for Ardigole also. Have a look at the nli archive picture of Ardigole bridge it has the mountain and the same style of house. archive listing

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    Suilann

    • 11/Jan/2013 20:45:20

    Ah yes Devonian Old Red Sandstone - Adrigole. Recognise the rocks but not the house, never knew there was a Telegraph office there. The road was widened here some tiem back but there is a post box here somewhere (usually find them where post offices were).

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Jan/2013 20:50:34

    It's not Adrigole if it's 1900-1920. In 1896 both buildings visible today (and in your alternative photo) were already present.

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Jan/2013 20:58:30

    It also doesn't look like Kells (the hill isn't barren enough and the house is the wrong shape) but the railway observation is well made. It could well be on a railway. maps.google.ie/maps?q=mountfoley&hl=en&ll=52.0136...

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    DannyM8

    • 11/Jan/2013 21:11:37

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I only have access to an iPad which is a useless tool for most of the tasks required here. I do think that the architecture is very much of this area. Look at the gable ends in both pictures and the hill is as good a fit as you are likely to get. D

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    derangedlemur

    • 11/Jan/2013 21:32:15

    I think our problem is that wherever this is, it's too rugged for the 25" lads to have gone and surveyed, so it's not showing up on the OSI historic post office layer.

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    henrylyne

    • 11/Jan/2013 22:00:25

    Found another photo with the same kind of sign: www.flickr.com/photos/deramore/9337393/in/[email protected] It reads: Post Office for Money Order, Savings Bank Parcel Post & Insurance and Annuity Business The "Post Offices in Ireland" group is not currently active, but it couldn't hurt to post the photo to that group in case anyone there might have something useful to add. The sign on the side of the building might be something like the one in this photo: www.flickr.com/photos/sludgeulper/6610611829/in/pool-1255... Just a guess.

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    Síle Maguire

    • 11/Jan/2013 22:14:22

    My dad, who worked for The Commissioners of Irish Lights, thinks it could be at Sheeps Head, some miles out beyond Kilcrohane. The British Navy had a telephone / telegraph there when they used Bantry Bay as a base.

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    derangedlemur

    • 12/Jan/2013 09:53:16

    Going back to our Adrigole dispute, the dormer windows in the picture have wooden side panels, but they're masonry in most of the houses we've looked at around west Cork, including Adrigole. The burren is also full of this sort of house (masonry dormers, I mean). e.g. maps.google.ie/maps?q=kilfenora&hl=en&ll=53.1478,...

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    derangedlemur

    • 12/Jan/2013 10:33:29

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/smaguidhir Would it have been a post office too, though, if you couldn't actually get to it? According to flickr the only thing at Sheep's Head is the lighthouse and the OSI doesn't show a post office. Streetview, continues unhelpful.

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    derangedlemur

    • 12/Jan/2013 11:06:01

    Incidentally the end plate could conceivably say Adrigole Post Office but it definitely doesn't say Sheep's Head Post Office.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 12/Jan/2013 12:08:18

    I tried everything to read both signs on the super duper high res image, but failed miserably! http://www.flickr.com/photos/henrylyne And a very good guess, thanks!

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    derangedlemur

    • 12/Jan/2013 16:09:12

    Are we sure this is in Ireland? If there's one place that likes big steep rocks and dormer windows better than the reeks, it's Scotland. Though I must admit the air of apathetic dilapidation about the place seems to be unique to this country.

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    impartial vest

    • 12/Jan/2013 19:43:39

    I am sure that it is on the bere peninsula co cork, on the road to castletownbere,from glengarriffe probably a mile or two on this road the mountain range in the background are the caha mountains, and the hill at the back is more than likely hungry hill, there may be one more place and that is the coast road castletownbere to ardgroom take a left and follow the road along the coast you come to ballydonegan bay here is a typical example of the type of house built on this peninsula, will look out for it next time on bere peninsula

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    Suilann

    • 13/Jan/2013 10:14:11

    Was sure this was Adrigole and it could be but road would have to have been further back and I see no reason to believe it was. Rock is too close to Telegraph Office but add this picture taken yesterday in evidence www.flickr.com/photos/plyne/8376230118/in/photostream But am fairly certain it is on the Beara peninsula and could be Adrigole post office which was in Peg's shop but prior to that was further along and could easily have moved several times.

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    derangedlemur

    • 13/Jan/2013 15:35:18

    If it is Adrigole, yer man is probably Jeremiah Cronin: CroninJeremiahAdrigoleArdigoleCork28MKerryTeacherRoman CatholicRead and writeIrish and EnglishHead of FamilyMarried CroninHannahAdrigoleArdigoleCork31FCo CorkPost MistressRoman CatholicRead and writeEnglishWife

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    Reconstructing Light

    • 13/Jan/2013 17:54:50

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/plyne Yes! That is the mountain range where I took the shot of the house on the hill posted up here earlier in this thread. Thanks!

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    ccferrie

    • 13/Jan/2013 21:50:55

    What if the Post Office is actually the building to the west of the bridge in Adrigole. It would be the right orientation and would have the hill as a back drop. The house that sits there at the moment has obviously had quite a bit of work done but the footprint looks the same proportion as the one in our photo here. There is something about the distance at which this photo is taken that suggests it could be from the other side of the river before the trees and hedgerows grew to their current size. This would make the vantage point somewhere here. This would also explain why the rock appears so close to the house as [http://www.flickr.com/photos/plyne/] noted above. If it is this building it would also explain why the sign is on the gable end as that is the direction you would approach the building from. The dotted line on the 25" Map indicates the point of access to the site.

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    ccferrie

    • 13/Jan/2013 22:14:56

    This photo of Adrigole in the catalogue is tantalizingly close to giving us the corroboration we need. I fancy that the plants on the south bank of the river are similar to the ones in the foreground of this picture.

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    ccferrie

    • 13/Jan/2013 22:31:27

    Peg's shop further up the road was built as a Post Office in 1933 www.bearatourism.com/services.html

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    rjbutler201

    • 13/Jan/2013 22:57:40

    I think you've got it. I suggest the photo was taken from the bridge itself, somewhere around here: maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=51.693655,-9.719231&... What has been fooling us, as you pointed out, is that the 'P.O.' on the 25" maps is misleading - in fact it doesn't mean the big house to the right of the bridge, it means the small one to the left. The small house to the left (now painted white) has been extended to the east since the 25" maps were drawn up. The original part of the house was three bays with two chimneys: maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=51.694812,-9.720583&... Furthermore, from the bridge, the patterns of sheer rock and grassy bits matches up almost perfectly to this photo. What we need to finally prove it beyond any doubt is for someone to go and photograph the south facade of that house, which is not visible from google maps.

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    rjbutler201

    • 13/Jan/2013 23:21:05

    With any luck the downstairs windows will be different widths, as in the photo. I might get a chance during the week to go investigate and take some photos.

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    ccferrie

    • 14/Jan/2013 00:13:47

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I think your streetview from the bridge is conclusive proof enough - the rock formations are undoubtedly the same! There's no guarantee that the window opes of the original house still exist - I've known "renovations" that have stretched the term to its limits :-)

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    ccferrie

    • 14/Jan/2013 00:38:03

    The census records for 1911 list the Post Office as having five windows to the front and one outbuilding. QED? It also shows that Jeremiah Cronin, landowner of the Post Office site also owned a 1-roomed house occupied by a Mary Sullivan. The 25" Map shows a small building to the south west of the site which would fit with this. Incidentally, in the census, Mary Sullivan appears as Máire Ní Shúileabháin, a non-English speaking octagenarian with her 17 year old granddaughter, Nóra, a cailín aimsire or servant girl. I wonder did she serve the Cronins?

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    DannyM8

    • 14/Jan/2013 05:15:58

    Well done all.

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    derangedlemur

    • 14/Jan/2013 07:27:15

    Just goes to show, you should never listen to the naysayers. Well done.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 14/Jan/2013 10:21:53

    Message - TELEGRAPH+OFFICE+LOCATION+IDENTIFIED+STOP+WELL+ +DONE+ALL+STOP+HOW +DO+YOU+MAKE+THIS+THING+STOP?+STOP - End of Message

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    pellethepoet

    • 14/Jan/2013 10:44:04

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Telegram from the Beastie Boys

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 14/Jan/2013 10:55:19

    Huzzah! Adrigole, it is - and may I say, a tour de force display of Flickroonie Finesse. Thanks one and all! Now that ye have solved the location, who's yer man out front? (Runs away!)

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    derangedlemur

    • 14/Jan/2013 11:02:22

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland I've already identified him about a dozen posts ago.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 14/Jan/2013 12:30:48

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] D'oh! Apologies - can't keep up with ye sometimes. So you reckon the odds are this was Jeremiah Cronin in the flesh then?

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    derangedlemur

    • 14/Jan/2013 13:19:51

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland I never saw a man look more like a school teacher.

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    BearaBoy

    • 18/Jan/2013 16:43:45

    I've printed off this image and will go and ask Peg (of Peg's Shop, Adrigole - very close to where this was supposedly taken). She's 97 this year (i.e. born 1916), still works in the shop (where she was born), is as sharp as a pin, and has a great memory.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 18/Jan/2013 16:53:50

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] That's excellent! Thanks a million, and we'll wait to see what Peg has to say about it then...

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    BearaBoy

    • 31/Jan/2013 13:33:35

    Hi - I've been to see Peg, and showed her the photo. As I said above, she was born in 1916. She knew the building instantly and recalls going in to it many times as a child. She estimates this was taken at some time between c.1919-1923. So I'm pleased to report the following: a) It's definitely the Post/Telegraph Office in Adrigole on the Beara Peninsula; b) The sign on the side of the building (which is unreadable in the photo) DID say: 'Adrigole Post Office'. c) Peg recalls that when you went in the front door of the building you had to turn right into the area that was the Post Office - it was also a small grocery store. d) Jeremiah Cronin IS the man in the photo - he WAS a teacher at the Adrigole National School (which is still located just out of the shot to the right of this shot - and where Peg went to school); he taught the boys whose classrooms were on the ground floor - girls' classrooms were on the first floor; it was his wife who was the Postmistress/shopkeeper. Although the census does refer to her full name of 'Hannah', Peg recalled the she was always known as 'Nan'; e) The photograph has been taken from bend in the road (on the south side of the Adrigole River) - the Glengarriff to Castletownbere road crosses the river on a bridge which is just out of shot on the right of the house - and then turns left to go behind the house in the photo. The very recognisable rock formations of Adrigole Mountain seen in the background of the shot are almost unchanged today. f) Peg says that the post box for sending letters was situated by the side of the road (at the end of the small fence you can see on the right of the shot). Mail was collected daily and went to Bantry for sorting. g) She confirmed that there was no electricity into this (or any other building in Adrigole!) until MUCH later. h) It couldn't have been long after this shot was taken that the Post Office location moved to a house across the road (currently referred to as 'Bridge House'). It remained there until the 'new' Adrigole shop and Post Office (now known as 'Peg's Shop') was built and opened in 1933. i) This building is still standing. It has been totally renovated and enlarged (it has a two-storey extension on the right of the building shown in the shot) and is used as a holiday home. Trees and undergrowth have grown up in front of the house making an up-to-date comparative view impossible to take. However, I have taken shots of the house from within the garden area to the left if anyone would be interested to see them uploaded. Hope this helps. Peg was fascinated to see the photo and delighted to be of assistance - we laughed that she could remember all of this, but wouldn't have a clue what she had for dinner two nights ago... Peg started working at the Adrigole Post Office (located in the 'new' shop - owned by her aunt) in 1934. Here she trained to be a Postmistress. She recalls: "We were busy all the time - in those days there were only two other telephones in the whole parish, so we took all the calls and dealt with all the mail and pensions. I used to deliver telegrams out to the houses around the parish on my bike, sometimes three or four miles, but I didn't mind I was cycling a lot of the time." She left Adrigole and worked in Post Offices in North Kerry until returning to Adrigole in 1948 as here aunt was sick and she needed Peg to run the shop and Post Office. She's been here ever since, and was still sorting this morning's newspapers out when I called in to see her with this photo.

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    DannyM8

    • 31/Jan/2013 17:07:11

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] BearaBoy - Fantastic story, well done for following up. I for one would like to see the photos you took and one of Peg for good measure.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 31/Jan/2013 20:55:06

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] BearaBoy - Great stuff, thank you. And a virtual hug for Peg!

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 31/Jan/2013 21:45:11

    Telegraph Office limerick .- -.-. -.-. --- .-. -.. .. -. --. / - --- / .--. --- ... - -- .. ... - .-. . ... ... / .--. . --. / .-- .... --- / ... --- ..- -. -.. ... / .-.. .. -.- . / .- / .--- --- .-.. .-.. -.-- / --. --- --- -.. / . --. --. / - .... .. ... / --- ..-. ..-. .. -.-. . / --- ..-. / - . .-.. . --. .-. .- .--. .... / -....- / --. . - / ... . - / ..-. --- .-. / .- / -... . .-.. .-.. -.-- / .-.. .- ..- --. .... / -....- / .-- . / ... . . / --- -. / .. - ... / ...- . .-. -.-- / .-.. .- ... - / .-.. . --. .-.-.- [morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.html]

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    ccferrie

    • 31/Jan/2013 22:22:36

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Now that's a real piece of detective work! - so important to get first hand accounts. It also means the date can be narrowed down even further. If the Fergus O'Connor Collection is limited to 1900-1920 that means this photo must have been taken either in 1919 or 1920.

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    pellethepoet

    • 01/Feb/2013 03:13:32

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia .-.. --- .-..

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    DannyM8

    • 01/Feb/2013 09:05:08

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia for interest 2 favourite Limericks The limerick packs laughs anatomical Into space that is quite economical. But the good ones I've seen So seldom are clean - And the clean ones so seldom are comical. The limerick is furtive and mean You must keep her in close quarantine Or she sneaks to the slums And promptly becomes Disorderly, drunk and obscene. (by C Alan Reber)

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    pellethepoet

    • 01/Feb/2013 09:33:31

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Could be! I dare say Leo Marks, the Bletchley Park cryptographer, who wrote original "code poems" for use by agents, would have appreciated the humour of a limerick about a Telegraph Office composed in morse code!

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    BearaBoy

    • 01/Feb/2013 09:52:54

    Love the Peg limerick in morse, beachcomber - Peg will too! As requested, I've set up a Flickr Set of images taken yesterday (31.01.13) of the old Adrigole Telegraph Office and a shot taken from the original location of the Fergus O'Connor photo. I've also droppped in a couple of shots of Peg which I took in 2010 (hey - she was only 94 then!) as she 're-opened' her shop when it became part of the XL group of small convenience stores. You'll see from the shots of the house that during its renovation the dormer windows have been removed, and I suspect the roof level raised, and the additional extension added to the eastern end. Thanks for all the comments and interest. Here's the link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/

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    ccferrie

    • 01/Feb/2013 10:26:11

    That's great! Thanks, http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] - the window positions and proportions have been retained although I notice that they removed the dormer windows when they re-roofed the original house. The original house had no gutters so the water would have just run off the roof onto the ground in front. If the dormers had been retained it would have meant having four rainwater pipes running down the facade from four separate gutters between and to each side of the dormers or else run a continuous gutter in front of the windows (I've seen it done!) neither of which would have been particularly attractive.

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    Swordscookie

    • 01/Feb/2013 12:19:24

    I hadn't looked at this for a little while and now the whole story of Peg and the Post Office has come together for me. It's a great story and involved so many people doing great work. To be able to identify not only the location but also the man in the shot is almost unbelievable. Well done to all and to Spesnova who was first in with the correct name and location.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 06/Feb/2013 12:38:54

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thanks a million for your effort on this! You're now officially our roving reporter in West Cork. Would you please pass on our thanks to Peg, who breathed so much life into just one of our photos - what a lady! (p.s. apologies for slow reply, was stricken with womanflu)

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    BearaBoy

    • 07/Feb/2013 16:51:26

    Called in to see Peg today and let her know how pleased you've all been with the info. We were talking further about the history of the place and she confirmed that there was no mains electricity in Adrigole until electrification by the ESB in 1952. Hope you're over the flu! Best regards, BearaBoy

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 07/Feb/2013 17:13:27

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] That's great to hear! Just wondering, if it'd be very bold to upload just one more photo of Adrigole to get Peg's take on it? It's from the same collection and same time period. Sure even if she doesn't know anything about it, she might like to see it... What do you think, Roving West Cork Reporter? (and feeling much better, thanks!)

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    BearaBoy

    • 13/Feb/2013 11:54:13

    Sure, upload it and put the link to it in here; I can print it off and show her and we'll see what she says...

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    robinparkes

    • 08/May/2013 19:10:20

    Been listening to a CD by Sean O'Se. The third verse of the song "As I Sailed Down Bantry Bay" runs like this: I stood upon the deck of youth While homeward far and near Old Castletown, sweet Adrigole To me they did appear The towering peaks of Hungry Hill Where I oft times spent a day I thought my heart would surely break As I sailed down Bantry Bay

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    BearaBoy

    • 12/May/2013 08:52:09

    I saw Sean talk about/perform the song last year at a live recording in Bantry for Sunday Miscellany - still a fabulous voice.

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    robinparkes

    • 21/May/2013 08:03:09

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] You are so right. The CD is "An Maidrin Rua" by CCE. I also have an LP of Sean O'Riada and Sean O'Se with Sean O'Se singing "The Palatine's Daughter". Priceless!

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    TEXASJOHN

    • 12/Nov/2013 19:41:55

    Must have been a very popular place to keep up with the goings on!

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    adrigoleclive

    • 05/Feb/2016 11:55:09

    A sad update on this story: Peg, of Peg's Shop in Adrigole, and who contributed so much to the background of this photograph, and who was still as bright as a button at age 99 years and 7 months, died peacefully yesterday in the care of the nurses and staff at Castletownbere Community Hospital, where she'd been since just before Christmas. She was still doing jobs around the shop up until last year. She'll be sorely missed in this parish.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 05/Feb/2016 12:25:43

    R.I.P. dear Peg, and thank you. https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/8435190810/

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    Swordscookie

    • 05/Feb/2016 13:50:18

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thank you Clive for passing on the sad news! I contacted the staff in NLI to let them know as well. That particular image was one of the most interesting pieces of research on here and Peg contributed in no small way with her personal connection and knowledge! Ar dheis Dé go raibh a h'anam dhílis!

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    Carol Maddock

    • 05/Feb/2016 14:34:53

    Thanks https://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie for letting us know here at Library Towers. Really sorry to hear this. https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected], you were very good to tell us all, and I hope https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ sees this too, as he did such a great thing in seeking out Peg in the first place. Will always think of the marvellous Peg O'Sullivan cycling miles in all weathers to deliver telegrams in the 1930s, and still sorting out the newspapers in her nineties. Ní fheicfimid a leithéid arís!

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    ccferrie

    • 05/Feb/2016 15:35:33

    Very sad news - may her memory live on. The hunt for the story of this photo was one of the more memorable ones and it's nice to read back through it again all this time later albeit in such sad circumstances.

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    guliolopez

    • 05/Feb/2016 18:48:41

    Sad news indeed https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]

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    DannyM8

    • 06/Feb/2016 16:25:52

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Sad news indeed.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 10/Nov/2018 09:26:00

    This photo recently made it to our 100,000 Views Album https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/sets/72157651599255125