"... a foot in foreground" = Ruins of Olderfleet Castle, Larne

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Where: Northern Ireland, Antrim, United Kingdom

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When: 01 January 1865

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Hope none of you are eyeing the foreground uneasily to search for a severed limb, but in our catalogue, this image is titled: "Road approaching village, ruin to right, side-car, tourist party, a foot in foreground" so couldn't resist it as a title.

That said, we started off this week with a toughie (technical term). We didn't know where this was taken, but I threatened that if you all solved this mystery with relative ease, I would eat my big feathery flouncy Flickr Hat! Think I can get away without eating that hat, as it did take a while for this one to be solved. Thanks to Flying Snail for suggesting Olderfleet Castle near Larne, Co. Antrim.

Date: 1860-1883

NLI Ref: STP_0470

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    Swordscookie

    • 26/Nov/2012 08:56:17

    (a) you're very early this morning, obviously having eaten your wheat cereal with milk and raisins for energy! (b) You appear to have had a bad weekend as you are in cruel and inhuman form inflicting suffering on innocent people on a wet and dreary Monday. (c) the a foot the cataloguer mentions is of course "afoot" rather than "astride" or "aboard" but its a good title anyway! What a dreadful pose for a photograph? What did they think they were doing - showing their best side to the camera???

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    Swordscookie

    • 26/Nov/2012 09:03:36

    I could see a distinctive "notch" in the the background and felt that such a unique topographical feature would be relatively easy to identify. On closer examination it seems that this is one of those plates where the sky has either peeled or been scraped off and the "notch" is just a bad piece of scraping;-( When you look at the detail on what remains in the shot it is a very fine one with the two ladies peeking around the building near the church to look at the those crazy tourists and photographer. I'm thinking down near Connemara or West Clare and there is a similar castle near Doolin, could that be it???

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Nov/2012 09:04:46

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie (a) have had no breakfast yet - putting the needs of our Flickroonies before my own! (odour of singing martyr) But don't tell my mother I left the house with no brekkie, there'd be hell to pay... (b) Knowing you lot, one of you will announce in the next few minutes that you know exactly where this was taken...

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    DannyM8

    • 26/Nov/2012 09:13:48

    Not a Lot to go on..... West of Ireland I would reckon. AND - way out there ----------- on the left are they cables?? something to do with Marconi?? Similar cables to ???? http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/7453118390/

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    blackpoolbeach

    • 26/Nov/2012 09:13:52

    Reminiscent of Carrigogunnel Castle. www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/7948253702/in/photostream/

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    derangedlemur

    • 26/Nov/2012 09:14:59

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] The chimney pots are interesting - very tall (and extant). I'd have thought that makes it east. Edit: Good point about the cables - they do look like guys.

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    Swordscookie

    • 26/Nov/2012 09:22:29

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpoolbeach It's definitely not Carrigogunnel, I grew up near there and there are no houses nearby and the nearest church is Ballybrown which is down at the bottom of a steep hill and about half a mile away!

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    DannyM8

    • 26/Nov/2012 09:28:05

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I would stick with the west, stone walls and lack of trees?

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    DannyM8

    • 26/Nov/2012 09:31:42

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie Is that sea, (bay or estuary) looking towards your notch.

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    Scadán Dearg

    • 26/Nov/2012 09:48:37

    That is the top of a rocky shingle shore on the left foreground. and possibly a bay further out in the background. Those chimneys are very distinctive

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    Swordscookie

    • 26/Nov/2012 10:12:45

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] It looks like that Danny, the flat of the sea and the rise of the shore in the background. I tried Google maps for Doolin/Fisherstreet but there is no data on that area. Google maps didn't make it there yet!

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    ccferrie

    • 26/Nov/2012 10:13:48

    I think it may be Valentia Island - Cable Terrace on the east end of the island has tall chimneys like that

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    Swordscookie

    • 26/Nov/2012 10:14:28

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Would that be a singing as in music or singeing as in burning martyr???

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Nov/2012 10:35:25

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie Singeing (hanging head in shame)! Though was typing on an empty stomach... :)

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 26/Nov/2012 11:00:24

    Or even Synge-ing, as in John Millington ... since we are possibly in his part of the Western World.

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    DannyM8

    • 26/Nov/2012 11:19:25

    I think the feckin feathery flouncy flicker hat is safe for a while.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Nov/2012 11:40:41

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Flippin fantastic alliteration there!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Nov/2012 11:41:19

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Uh-oh, you're cruising for another stint in the Pun Bin! :)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Nov/2012 12:17:31

    Another Marconi tower here, with a Mission Hall nearby! maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,709925,615209,7,9 But no old castle ruin, and the view is not right.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Nov/2012 12:29:51

    If the latest date is 1883, it's not a Marconi station, more likely it's a big flagpole for hanging signal flags. The well-kept white building could be a coastguard station?

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    blackpoolbeach

    • 26/Nov/2012 13:24:07

    This is Doonbeg, County Clare. It almost fits, but not quite.

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    derangedlemur

    • 26/Nov/2012 13:27:41

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpoolbeach Aside from the tower being the wrong way round, you mean?

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    Eiretrains

    • 26/Nov/2012 13:37:57

    This is a complete shot in the dark, but would it be Olderfleet Castle by Larne, Co.Antrim? See Google. The ruin visible in the background looks similar, but the rest of the buildings have disappeared.

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    ccferrie

    • 26/Nov/2012 14:02:38

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyingsnail I don't think it's Olderfleet - the arrangement of buildings is different and the road doesn't go as far as the castle on the old OS Maps. http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpoolbeach not convinced it's Doonbeg either but I'm having difficulty coming up with alternatives. There were a lot of coastguard stations along the west coast back in the day! Definitely has a west coast/Connemara feel to it though.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Nov/2012 14:08:25

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpoolbeach http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyingsnail Both Doonbeg and Olderfleet are good suggestions, but with a lot of caveats each...

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    ccferrie

    • 26/Nov/2012 14:24:03

    Unfortunately, those prominent chimneys seem to be a common feature of Coastguard Stations maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=53.245906,-9.548149&...

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    Eiretrains

    • 26/Nov/2012 14:38:15

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Which maps are these, I've glanced at NI OS site, the only one I know of for NI, unless I'm mistaken the nearer existing buildings did not appear until after 1880s if i can read the confusing options(!), but everything else seems to fit?

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    ccferrie

    • 26/Nov/2012 14:48:29

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyingsnail I was looking at the 1903 10inch map but looking now at the 1857 6inch map the building arrangement could fit. Something about the topography isn't quite right though - there still seems to be too much land to the left of the road on this photo.

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    derangedlemur

    • 26/Nov/2012 14:53:11

    It certainly looks like Olderfleet and the map is reasonably consistent with it: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,741213,901633,6,8. Signal post and all. See also oreald.com/picture22.html

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    Gerry Ward

    • 26/Nov/2012 15:09:04

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyingsnail Oh no, not Larne again!

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    Scadán Dearg

    • 26/Nov/2012 15:10:00

    Is it possible the the "cables" on the left hand side are scratches or imperfections? Why to they not show up above the horizon. Based on the theory that there is a bay in the background I would say the poles between the two roofs on the righthand background may be masts of a Hooker or Nobby. the background skyline is reminiscent of the burren from the conemara shore of Galway bay.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Nov/2012 15:15:35

    Olderfleet in the nli archive

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    derangedlemur

    • 26/Nov/2012 15:22:17

    The stones are all round, the house is built of flints, there's big flat capstones on the roadside wall, there's white seashells and gravel everywhere and there's no cliffs. It's not the west.

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    derangedlemur

    • 26/Nov/2012 15:23:32

    (unless it is, of course).

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Nov/2012 15:48:05

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gerryward This is not deliberate, honest!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Nov/2012 16:13:11

    I'm just not seeing Olderfleet! Angles looking wrong to me - too many buildings or not enough on the maps... Willing to be convinced!

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    ccferrie

    • 26/Nov/2012 16:28:59

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley OK, that's definitely the same ruined castle - Olderfleet it is then, I stand corrected!

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    ccferrie

    • 26/Nov/2012 16:32:50

    Here's a shot which corresponds more with the 1903 OS map oreald.com/picture22.html (EDIT: just realised [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] posted that photo earlier) The "Mission Hall" or whatever it is must have had a short life as it doesn't appear on either the 1857 map or the 1903 map

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    derangedlemur

    • 26/Nov/2012 16:46:45

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] This view of the back of the castle looks pretty similar (reversed, obviously): maps.google.ie/maps?q=OLDERFLEET&hl=en&ll=54.8426... Particularly the window sizes and positions. The stones usd to build it are the same type too. Edit: The wee pointy bit on top is there too. It's definitly Olderfleet.

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    Scadán Dearg

    • 26/Nov/2012 16:50:48

    It is not olderfleet, no matter how many times the suggestion is repeated, the ruins are back to front!

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    derangedlemur

    • 26/Nov/2012 16:55:39

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] It's taken from the opposite side to the picture I've just posted. The ruins are the right way around.

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    Scadán Dearg

    • 26/Nov/2012 17:09:26

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] so are you saying that there is beach frontage (not visible) on the righthand side of the photo?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Nov/2012 17:16:22

    I think the Halla is on the Map series: Os8-Large-Scale-Town-Plans Edition: 1 Time span: 1893, but it is not labelled.

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    derangedlemur

    • 26/Nov/2012 17:17:27

    The sea is immediately behind the castle. Its basement is full of seaweed. The photo seems to have been taken from near the corner on coastguard road.

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    Gerry Ward

    • 26/Nov/2012 17:24:34

    I believe this is Olderfleet! That’s three Larne photos in a fortnight!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Nov/2012 17:25:03

    I think a round of applause is due for http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyingsnail !

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    Gerry Ward

    • 26/Nov/2012 17:31:13

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Hear, hear!

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    derangedlemur

    • 26/Nov/2012 17:38:08

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley I think so.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Nov/2012 17:50:38

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley So, Olderfleet it really is?!! Apologies for being a Doubting Thomas...

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    derangedlemur

    • 26/Nov/2012 18:04:01

    Well, there's about fifteen thousand castles and tower houses in the country (I read somewhere, once), so i suppose it's not impossible that there's an identical ruin somewhere else. I'd not give you great odds on it though.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Nov/2012 18:06:47

    Well done, http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyingsnail ! Will fix up description, etc. asap...

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    derangedlemur

    • 26/Nov/2012 18:20:50

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Are you going to eat your hat? It took a while but snaily just pulled the answer out of nowhere, so it seemed relatively easy.

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    Swordscookie

    • 26/Nov/2012 19:10:37

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I think thats a bit unfair knowing that Carol did not have brekkie this morning now you want her to eat her hat WITH SNAILS ON?????

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 26/Nov/2012 22:15:43

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyingsnail Congrats! - the 'Homer Simpson' face is still just discernible in streetview. Or is it my imagination? yelling from the depths of the Pun Bin

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    DannyM8

    • 27/Nov/2012 08:02:09

    Well done. Flying Snail. so the cables are cables and not scratches?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 27/Nov/2012 08:38:33

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Out you come then! Back into the general population... :D

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    John Spooner

    • 27/Nov/2012 09:07:33

    The 'tourist party' have the look of people killing time before their delayed ferry departs from Larne. Been there, done that. (And in the interests of balance, also BTDT in Belfast and Ringaskiddy).

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    Swordscookie

    • 27/Nov/2012 09:14:20

    C'mon Carol, put up the next one! I have to go out and will be away from my laptop for a few hours and I don't want to miss todays conundrum!

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    Vab2009

    • 27/Nov/2012 10:27:20

    Cor - I never expected that one to be Larne!! I was sure it was the west somewhere. Well done Fying Snail!

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    derangedlemur

    • 27/Nov/2012 12:00:29

    Can it be that Carol has been incapacitated by some sort of hat-ingestion induced injury?

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    Swordscookie

    • 27/Nov/2012 12:35:19

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] That girls diet has gone all to pot, missing breakfast eating snail coated hats, late nights, early mornings - the list goes on but there's still no upload;-))

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 27/Nov/2012 12:37:11

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Choking on feather-related incident! Had to go to A&E. Stand by for upload... :)

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    Gerry Ward

    • 28/Nov/2012 22:01:11

    Here is an uptodate view of Olderfleet Castle - Homer Simpson’s face still discernible!