Hore Abbey, Tipperary

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Where: Tipperary, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1870

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Adding this one as a curiosity in the story of our Lawrence Collection. Can you see the figure in the grass? We think this might have been a young assistant in the Lawrence business carrying equipment. What think ye?

Date: 1870?

NLI Ref.: L_ROY_00021

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    TJ.Photography

    • 06/Sep/2012 08:25:53

    oh God .. I love that place!!!! I can shoot there all day :) check my Ireland set for panoramas of this place :))))

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    TJ.Photography

    • 06/Sep/2012 08:27:57

    Just to add a note .. I remember I've seen graves in the abbey dating to some time around 1700s and 1800s too. Now dating this as 1870 is somehow weird... this place was really forgotten in such manner and people kept burying their beloved there??

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    blackpoolbeach

    • 06/Sep/2012 08:40:46

    Hore Abbey on Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hore_Abbey Historic OSI maps maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,606931,640809,7,9 Google Street View

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 06/Sep/2012 08:46:17

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/tj_q8 Well, 1870 is very circa! Could be between 1865 and 1914, but judging by the young assistant's (if that's what he is) clothes, I'd be erring on the side of earlier rather than later. But as ever, open to any and all suggestions...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 06/Sep/2012 08:47:17

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpoolbeach Morning, Old Pete! Thank you - adding to our Flickr Map now...

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    TJ.Photography

    • 06/Sep/2012 08:53:12

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland so it could be that people did indeed bury their dead in a place that IS already a ruin back then?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 06/Sep/2012 09:21:29

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/tj_q8 You saw the graves yourself, so presumably consecrated ground was the issue, even if the original abbey was in ruins...

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    TJ.Photography

    • 06/Sep/2012 09:26:12

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland hmm interesting ...... didnt know it could be done!

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    martindevlin

    • 06/Sep/2012 10:05:25

    Looking closely at the person in this image I would suggest that it is a young lady, based on the style of the hat and the cut of the coat. The coat appears to be closed and yet is is full cut to the front and what we now call A line in style, the garment ends just below the bottom, which was a typical style for ladies but not for men. Meanwhile the hat appears to have a broad ribbon band above the rim and circular at the top front, where a mans hat would be indented in this region. Given the time frame for this shot it is unlikely that a photographer would waste a plate with a casual shot, so there was a reason why this shot was taken possibly the assistant was the wife or a close relative of the photographer or as the shot is numbered the use of the person in the middle ground would have been to give a sense of scale to the building and their position was intentional as there is no movement blur. Just my two cents worth,

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    TJ.Photography

    • 06/Sep/2012 10:12:06

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] maybe it is documenting and the person standing there as a reference to the size? We used to do such referencing in Geology field trips most of the time to get a better visualization for the size of the formation at hand.

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    FrigateRN

    • 06/Sep/2012 11:02:08

    It's an interesting old picture NLI, as your pictures always are. It looks like chap I must say, and that is said by an old sailor who can still spot a female on the horizon, at night, and in the fog! The name of the abbey is just a bit unfortunate.

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    TJ.Photography

    • 06/Sep/2012 11:35:08

    lol

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    Scadán Dearg

    • 06/Sep/2012 11:35:55

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I agree completely, and this is a theme in a number of recent photographs reviewed, I am thinking particularly of the gothic castle in Waterford with the subject peering into the bush. The postures adopted by the people are very posed almost as if to mask the real reason the photographer placed them.

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    TJ.Photography

    • 06/Sep/2012 11:50:35

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] in your opinion, how long would it take to make this exposure (under the scope of the technology that was available back then) ?

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    martindevlin

    • 06/Sep/2012 14:22:06

    TJ.Photography Given the approx time frame the exposure time would have been anything between 1/4 to a full second @ possibly f11 or less. No light meters then so it was all up to the photographers eye and experience. This would appear to be an overcast day as there are no shadows visable. Scadan Derag. All photos of this vintage were posed due to the limitations of both film stock and cameras, remember photography took it's lead from painters and how they posed subjects. Some studios of the time advertised themselves as Photographic Artists

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    TJ.Photography

    • 06/Sep/2012 15:36:23

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Interesting! ... thinking about the 1800s when photography was just developing still, I though the time would be more than a second, and even more than a minute even outdoors!

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    blackpoolbeach

    • 06/Sep/2012 19:18:18

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/tj_q8] Laws were passed to prevent burials within town boundaries for sanitary reasons, hence the continued use of this isolated graveyard. The Public Health (Ireland) Act, 1878 www.irishstatutebook.ie/1952/en/act/pub/0022/print.html

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    TJ.Photography

    • 07/Sep/2012 06:51:08

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpoolbeach Thanks!! Now it all make sense! :)

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    Scadán Dearg

    • 07/Sep/2012 08:04:30

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/tj_q8 Sorry TJ I've no idea, we'll have to go with Martin Devlin.

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    TJ.Photography

    • 07/Sep/2012 08:11:07

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] lol I guess :)

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    TJ.Photography

    • 07/Sep/2012 09:25:39

    you know what I wish to see now? a 3D rendering of this place like it is done in Archaeological excavations - to put back the original shape and structure together.

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    horsenbuggy

    • 12/Sep/2012 22:00:20

    So, doesn't everyone have a shot of this place? www.flickr.com/photos/missroon/2239994426/