Glendalough before Round Tower was restored
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Where: Wicklow, Ireland
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When: 01 January 1860
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Side cars, or perhaps more correctly, Jaunting Cars at Glendalough, Co. Wicklow. We knew this was taken between 1860 and 1883, and the "bare headed" Round Tower has helped us to date it more accurately, as derangedlemur tells us "The conical roof was rebuilt in 1876 using the original stones"...
Date: 1860-1876
NLI Ref.: STP_0023
P.S. Gorgeous Belfast image from a year ago replaced with higher res for your viewing pleasure!
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Date: 1860-1876
NLI Ref.: STP_0023
P.S. Gorgeous Belfast image from a year ago replaced with higher res for your viewing pleasure!
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derangedlemur
maps.google.ie/maps?q=Glendalough&hl=en&ll=53.015...
derangedlemur
Looks a bit different now.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thanks very much for the map link!
public songs
superb
derangedlemur
Right. I'll stop going mad with the notes now.
derangedlemur
"The conical roof was rebuilt in 1876 using the original stones", btw.
derangedlemur
If any of the jarveys are particularly notorious you might be able to date them from the census.
derangedlemur
(do we use the term "three-post ment" on this site?)
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Not at all! You feel free to go nuts with the notes any time (or go notes). Thanks for the roof rebuilding information. That means this was definitely taken before 1876 then! And we might, if I knew what "three-post ment" meant... :)
derangedlemur
A TPM is someone whose emotional stability may be called into question as a result of their posting large numbers of observations on an internet comment forum without any intervening remarks from other people. The minimum threshold number of comments is generally considered to be three.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Ah, well apologies then for the lack of intervening comments, although are you not calling your own emotional stability into question by dubbing yourself deranged?
derangedlemur
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Well, it doesn't do to set unrealistic expectations.
derangedlemur
@Scadan (sorry, no fadas): I thought it might be a wall but in the original 2000x1957 resolution I think it looks a lot more like a road. If it's a wall it's about five or six feet high (by comparison with the house on the hill).
Swordscookie
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Yes, the Lemur is making us all feel guilty and deranged now that we have not contributed sooner. Dubbing oneself deranged is just acceptance of reality, I've been deranged for so long that it is no longer worthy of comment. I didn't know that IK Brunel used to jarvey in Ireland? Is there no end to that mans talents:-)
Cuddly Nutter
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] The date on your www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/5785358121/ ,ie Gorgeous Belfast Image, is incorrect.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanekillen It was just circa, after all! When do you suggest?
Cuddly Nutter
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland I know but I know you like to get as near as possible with your dates and didn't know if you were still visiting that page. My sugested date is 1903-1908 my reasoning is explained on that page.
derangedlemur
I can't identify anything in the picture as a lead mine but maybe somebody else can. www.glendaloughmines.com/history.html
derangedlemur
And here's the historic OSI VIew: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,712534,696926,7,9. I suspect the standing stone may be the remains of a stone cross. Also, it looks like the surveyors couldn't be bothered schlepping up a mountain. None of the background features are marked.
blackpoolbeach
Geograph has a lot of photos of Glendalough www.geograph.ie/search.php?i=35550695&page=1
Myrtle26
The cars here are pretty similar to those in Killarney today and I think they could be called Jaunting Cars rather than side cars. Johann Georg Kohl in Travels in Ireland had this to say after he was shown around by Irwin who had guided The Queen of England, whilst still a Princess, and Sir Walter Scott. 'We seated ourselves on our car, and drove off silently, thanking the Irish for their "Jaunting Cars" whose formation allowed us to sit, that, instead of the horses before us, we could see the vanishing landscape of Glendalough behind us, on which our eyes remained eagerly fastened as long as possible.'
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mosskayree Will be guided by you. Have added jaunting cars into description above, and into tags - thank you! P.S. nice to hear from you again...
Myrtle26
Thanks for compliment, Carol. I still add many Flickr pictures from the National Library and elsewhere to my Favorites for education and entertainment in equal measure.
Yellabelly*
Never knew that the round tower roof was restored. Very interesting.
maorlando - God keeps me as I lean on Him!!
Loved riding a jaunting car in Killarney... marvelous experience!!!
John Mac Giolla Phádraig Leisen
Magnificent,.Respect,.,!!!
Scadán Dearg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] 5/6 foot high boundary walls would be common enough. There are plenty examples in Mayo where I am from, also down through the mountains in Galway, Clare and Kerry. I have not been through Wicklow that much but it looks very consistent with what I am used to seeing. if the feature we are looking at is the retaining wall of a road and 5 or 6 feet high it would have indeed been a major feat of engineering. Why would such a major road be required at that elevation? My money is on a boundary wall.
Scadán Dearg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] No problem, hold down the "Alt Gr" button to add an accent. My money still on it being a wall;)
MKSeery
Interesting re wall/road - the 25" map which I think is late 19th C doesn't show any sign of a road. But it certainly was a big wall!
ClickKen04
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Is there a comparable photo Carol?
ClickKen04
Carol, there are 'notes' on the top of the hills surrounding the Valley of the Lough suggesting a 'road' but what I think it might have been is, if you look now (the present day), there are a very organised line of trees, So, would it be or could it be the original planting/plantation of trees for the top of the hill rather than a 'road' or trek of any description? I have been there recently, I will dig through my collection and see if I can demonstrate what I am referring to.
acrid home
Can't believe how bare the hills are...not a tree in sight - unlike today where the majestic larch and scots pine cover the slopes
randell c
looks like a western movie