Main Street in Roscommon Town
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Where: Roscommon, Ireland
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When: 01 January 1903
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Was very ashamed when I looked around all the counties of Ireland and realised that we've been overlooking Roscommon, so here's one to slightly redress the balance... Hope you like it!
Date: Circa 1903
NLI Ref.: L_ROY_07342
P.S. Was using this Sunday, 1 August 1915 photo elsewhere, so have re-uploaded a higher res image for your viewing pleasure...
Source: Flickr Commons
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Date: Circa 1903
NLI Ref.: L_ROY_07342
P.S. Was using this Sunday, 1 August 1915 photo elsewhere, so have re-uploaded a higher res image for your viewing pleasure...
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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The CommonsSource: Flickr Commons
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derangedlemur
The hall at the end was a RC church from the mid 19th C. until 1903. I don't see a cross on top of it so I think it's probably after that.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Excellent, so post-1903 then! And thank you, I thought that might have been a courthouse or similar...
DannyM8
Ah the typical county council road worker picture 3 men in the hole digging and at least 6 0nlookers!! Mike Murphy would be proud.
derangedlemur
And sure we may as well have the google streetview link: maps.google.ie/maps?q=roscommon+town&hl=en&ll=53....
derangedlemur
The house on the corner is of a style that if I saw it in Kiel or Hamburg, I'd date at between 1890 and 1910. Does anyone have a date for its erection?
derangedlemur
Actually, a bit of messing with the image characteristics makes the spike on top of Harrison Hall look a lot more like a cross seen end on. It may still be a church in this picture after all.
Ray_Flynn
Things havnt changed much in roscommon!! The building at the end of the street is now the Bank Of Ireland
DannyM8
Here is the OSI map, it looks like the butcher shop (second building on the left) was added between the map survey and our picture, now if I can remember how to get the survey date of the map it might help, also the building on the corner does not look like the correct shape to that in the map, so perhaps a new build too...OSI 25
DannyM8
No luck there the map was surveyed on 1st July 1891
DannyM8
Talking about the Butcher at the door, he is peeking menacingly at the sheep for sale to his right!!
DannyM8
1911 Census has a Petrick Dolan, General Merchant, in house no 5 main Street 1911 Census
DannyM8
1911 Census also has a butcher Shop at house No1 Main Street House no 1 James Feeley, Butcher Shop House no 2 Edward Fallon, Public House House no 3 John Mannion, Shop House no 4 Bridget Henry, Shop House no 5 Patrick Dolan, General Merchant (as above) Details Here Cant find any of the above for positive in the 1901 census???
DannyM8
Hayden Monument is 1895 - 1905 (circa 1900) but would be key if we could find exact date.
Gerry Ward
The inscription on the monument recalls Luke Hayden's death. He died 23 Jun 1897. So it is after this date.
DannyM8
Feeley was a butcher in 1905 link text
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thank you very much! Now added to map...
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Hope this one won't give rise to a new obsession for you, where you demand a side order of sheep in all photos...
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
And we have Phillips as well on the 1911 Census http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] so...
tammybeck
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/rayflynn] This isn't it, is it?
derangedlemur
On the crennellations visible behind the hall: "Having served as a jail for less than a century, it subsequently became a lunatic asylum, then a refuge for smallpox sufferers, a market house and later a private house."
DannyM8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland so I give up on this one, best guess at date is after the memorial per http://www.flickr.com/photos/gerryward say 1900 (to give them some time to bury Mr Hayden and get the committee together to build the memorial) and http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] point on the corner house being between 1890 and 1910 is not correct, I saw somewhere it was built pre 1880. so current before date is still unknown.
derangedlemur
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Are you sure? It doesn't match either the historic 6" or the historic 25" very well, and the render still looks damp in that photo, though that could be the weather, I suppose.
derangedlemur
Plus you've got the brownfield site shown on the 25" map that's a house in this picture. Does that not put it post 1891?
DannyM8
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I hear what you say, but have a look at this. China Palace Restaurant, Main Street, Church Street, Roscommon, County Roscommon and Memorial as [http://www.flickr.com/photos/gerryward] says is def after June 1897
derangedlemur
Fair enough.
Alasabyss
Hi all. I'm 99% certain this photo was taken in 1903. It is known that Robert French visited Roscommon town in 1903 to photograph the dedication of The Sacred Heart Church and so it is very likely that this photo was taken during this visit.
DannyM8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Hard to argue against 1903
derangedlemur
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Well if you think it's from some specific event, we can see if it lines up with the solar calculator. The shadows are pretty clear. What's the date for the dedication? (The solar calcualtor is putting this pretty near the middle of June, I think).
Alasabyss
The dedication took place on the 18th of June 1903.
derangedlemur
Well, there's certainly no contradictory evidence in the shadows.
ClickKen04
I am sure there is a parked bike or bikes on the kerb side some where behind all those horse and carts.
Niall McAuley
This looks like the Church opening in the nli archive. Here is one explicitly labelling the church/hall as St. Coman's Hall, and it's also taken on a fair day.
XPAT-Polska
What a great image from the time.
David Gunning
Great photo - more Roscommon pictures please!
Niall McAuley
A newspaper archive search shows an article on 1900/06/20 called Hayden Memorial Roscommon. Someone with a subscription at their disposal might check what it says, I'm inclined to think it is a report of the unveiling, but it is possible that it is a progress report on fundraising etc.
Niall McAuley
There is a reference in the Irish Builder from 1900/07/15 called Memorial to Luke P. Hayden, M.P. in Roscommon according to this shady crew
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Well https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley - Evening Mary will bite :) The snippet from the Freemans Journal on Wednesday 20 June 1900 simply reads:
Niall McAuley
Perfect, Mary, thanks! This gives a solid earliest date of June 1900.
Niall McAuley
I noted earlier that L_ROY_07343 labels the hall as St. Comans, but now using megazoom I can read that on the pillars of tha gates of St Comans are posters saying "DEDICATION OF THE NEW CHURCH OF THE SACRED HEART ROSCOMMON SOLEMN DEDICATION ON THURSDAY". [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] told us it was 18th June 1903 which was, indeed, a Thursday. As in todays shot the Hayden memorial is very new and white, and the same window is open in the hall above the door. I think all these photos are the same day - Thursday 18th June 1903.
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[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Dedication happened on Thursday 25 June 1903, according to this Trove article - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/212348295?searchTerm=d... See also a later and lower Eason photo - [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/50057389481/]