"Unidentified" = Clifden, Co. Galway!

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Where: Galway, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1885

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As Niall McAuley despatched the photo uploaded earlier in under 5 minutes, here's one I had hoped would prove more of a challenge, but you people have beaten me again. Presenting Clifden!

Date: 1880s?

NLI Ref.: L_CAB_01118

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    derangedlemur

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:10:29

    Odd not to have the chapel at the east end of that building (if it is east, the sun is coming from pretty much due north).

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    DannyM8

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:16:23

    Im thinking Clifden?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:20:34

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Oh, I sense sine and cosine coming! :)

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    derangedlemur

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:22:44

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] It's somewhere in Mayo, I reckon. Let's see what streetview says about clifden.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:23:30

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I'd agree about the Wesht, but not sure about Clifden on visual evidence. However, I have been trying to make out the blurred title down the bottom. Could it be At Clifden, Connemara and got smudged? Or could it be that Clifden was a mistake, and Robert French or one of the other Lawrence people knew that wasn't the location, and deliberately tried to erase the words?

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    MKSeery

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:23:33

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Wow, I think you are right. And a dog too.

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    DannyM8

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:24:59

    Perhaps the old Court House with the Convent behind.

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    CHG PRO PHOTOGRAPHY incorporating the APL archives

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:26:00

    I think the wording says "At Burren, Connemara". If I'm right, there is a town land called Burren just north of Castlebar in Mayo. Have been looking on Google Maps but nothing found yet....

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    DannyM8

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:28:04

    OS 25 I think This may be it. 100% Sure now

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    MKSeery

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:30:07

    The building in the foreground left lines up with Duane's Fish Shop and the Clifden Art Gallery nicely on Google maps.

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    CHG PRO PHOTOGRAPHY incorporating the APL archives

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:36:17

    Wow, yes, looks like it, spot on! So the original was mislabelled, then!

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    MKSeery

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:37:41

    St Joseph's RC Church (not in this photo?) was built in 1879.

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    derangedlemur

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:40:05

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] That's it alright. Well done.

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    CHG PRO PHOTOGRAPHY incorporating the APL archives

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:41:17

    Ah yes of course, it's the old St Joseph's Industrial School at Clifden....... Sadly, it was to become notorious with certain activity which we should not discuss here, suffice to say that at least one member of staff spent a considerable time in custody for his part in that activity.... Enough said about that! Perhaps the unfortunate legacy of this institution is the reason for the attempt to make it unidentifiable?

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    derangedlemur

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:44:14

    The building with the chapel appears to be St. Josephs industrial school, 1872 - 1983, so it's post 1872.

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    CHG PRO PHOTOGRAPHY incorporating the APL archives

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:45:26

    St Joseph's Industrial School was founded in 1861.... with the first phase of the building constructed in 1862.

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    derangedlemur

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:52:38

    If anyone knows anything about RIC uniforms you could probably date it from the funny hats.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:56:53

    Well done all of you! Perfect Street View comparison from MKSeery! But before ye abandon ship, what about a date?

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    DannyM8

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:58:19

    Railway started 1895 - so prior to this date

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    Niall McAuley

    • 13/Jul/2012 09:59:07

    No sign of St. Josephs RC Church in this one, and I think it should be visible if built. From the DIA: Name: O'CALLAGHAN, JOHN JOSEPH Building: CO. GALWAY, CLIFDEN, CHURCH OF ST JOSEPH (RC) Date: 1871-74;1898 Nature: New church. Tenders invited, Dec 1871. FS laid 28 Aug 1872 by Archbishop MacHale. Builder: P. Morris. Building in advanced state of progress by Oct 1874. Tower and spire added 1898 through exertions of Canon Lynskey, PP (tenders sought May, 1896,Jun 1898).

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    teufelbeutel

    • 13/Jul/2012 10:01:00

    The Mark IIa Newfoundland dog was not made until 1880 and discontinued after WW1, if that's any help...

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    CHG PRO PHOTOGRAPHY incorporating the APL archives

    • 13/Jul/2012 10:01:45

    Somewhere between 1862 & 1870, it has to be....

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 13/Jul/2012 10:06:10

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/apl-irl Very earliest of our Lawrence photographs is 1865.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 13/Jul/2012 10:10:33

    The OS 25" Danny gives above has a survey date of June1898, and shows St. Josephs without the tower and spire.

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    DannyM8

    • 13/Jul/2012 10:10:45

    This might help http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/6861933913/

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    derangedlemur

    • 13/Jul/2012 10:18:29

    It appears from Danny's map that the building with the chapel is the convent and the building on the far side of the courthouse is the industrial school, which would make it post 1872.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 13/Jul/2012 10:21:49

    But we know it's before October 1874, when the colossal church was at an advanced stage of building. I think that field between the camera and convent would be a building site from August 1872, the laying of the foundation stone.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 13/Jul/2012 10:24:13

    The convent itself was from 1855, and the courthouse 1840, no help.

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    derangedlemur

    • 13/Jul/2012 10:24:38

    Well, you've got it down to two years then. Do you want me to go mad with the solar calculator and give you a date as well?

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    Cuddly Nutter

    • 13/Jul/2012 10:27:37

    How the ***** you lot got Clifden from this I'll never know !!

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    DannyM8

    • 13/Jul/2012 10:28:23

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I object to people making jokes about any (all) dogs in these photographs!!

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    DannyM8

    • 13/Jul/2012 10:31:12

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] YES

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    derangedlemur

    • 13/Jul/2012 10:43:07

    Lunchtime at the end of april or the middle of august. I'd have guessed april from the bare branches but it looks quite warm from the posture of the three lads on the wall. Maybe people were just tougher in those days. This is based on the courthouse which we know faces due south. I think the sun's about 10 degrees east of south and about 50 degrees above the horizon.

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    MKSeery

    • 13/Jul/2012 10:57:01

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland thanks I learned from the master http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley

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    derangedlemur

    • 13/Jul/2012 11:06:38

    I think your best bet at getting a year is probably still the daft RIC flower-pot shakos.

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    DannyM8

    • 13/Jul/2012 11:25:48

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] If you took a picture where I am today (south Dublin) and your great grandson looked at it in 100 years, he would conclude sometime between December 10th and February 2nd..........when will this weather improve!!!!!!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 13/Jul/2012 11:36:09

    In the distance, on the right, you can see the Union Workhouse built in 1845.

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    derangedlemur

    • 13/Jul/2012 12:57:42

    Looks like the policemen would be contemporary with this picture royalirishconstabulary.webs.com/RIC%20Barracks.jpg but I've no idea when it's from.

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    [email protected]

    • 14/Jul/2012 15:11:13

    totally cool

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    derangedlemur

    • 16/Jul/2012 08:04:13

    It has occurred to me that the Ulster Folk and Transport Museum can probably date the policemen for you. They have a lot of images of RIC officers from various periods.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 17/Jul/2012 18:36:15

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Is that you volunteering to contact them, she asks hopefully??? I'm sorry, but I just don't have time to do that kind of checking...

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    derangedlemur

    • 18/Jul/2012 06:46:08

    If it wasn't pissing rain the whole summer I'd probably drop by for a visit. I might check out their online archive and see if I can get a match.

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    derangedlemur

    • 18/Jul/2012 07:00:03

    I'm not sure it matches any of these. The hat seems to have an overhanging top as well as a brim, but it's too tall to be the back right one. I guess this means it's pre-1882. www.nmni.com/Home/Shop/Products/Photographs/Green-Collect...

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    derangedlemur

    • 18/Jul/2012 07:21:13

    As far as I can tell from images on the web, up to about 1868, they all had pickelhaubes, and by 1880, they all had pillboxes which were then replaced by a hat like the modern garda hat, and in between, there was 12 years of undatable mayhem. But the main problem appears to be that in 1870, policemen weren't interesting enough to photograph.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 18/Jul/2012 08:32:17

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I had a look again at the original super duper high res image and they look most like "a hat like the modern garda hat" as you say. Flat top and definitely a shiny peak over the forehead as both are reflecting the light. Interestingly, the chap on the left seems to have a beard. I think one of our photos had input on facial hair in the police... Ah yes, it's this one!

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    derangedlemur

    • 18/Jul/2012 08:52:50

    If the chap on the right doesn't also have a beard then he's got a very high collar.

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    Destination Connemara

    • 27/Feb/2013 16:46:38

    Fabulous shot, Galway entrance, looking east.