Try to find the spot where the photographer was standing.
Odd not to have the chapel at the east end of that building (if it is east, the sun is coming from pretty much due north).
Im thinking Clifden?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Oh, I sense sine and cosine coming! :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] It's somewhere in Mayo, I reckon. Let's see what streetview says about clifden.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I'd agree about the Wesht, but not sure about Clifden on visual evidence.
However, I have been trying to make out the blurred title down the bottom. Could it be At Clifden, Connemara and got smudged? Or could it be that Clifden was a mistake, and Robert French or one of the other Lawrence people knew that wasn't the location, and deliberately tried to erase the words?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Wow, I think you are right. And a dog too.
Perhaps the old Court House with the Convent behind.
I think the wording says "At Burren, Connemara". If I'm right, there is a town land called Burren just north of Castlebar in Mayo. Have been looking on Google Maps but nothing found yet....
OS 25 I think This may be it.
100% Sure now
The building in the foreground left lines up with Duane's Fish Shop and the Clifden Art Gallery nicely on Google maps.
Wow, yes, looks like it, spot on! So the original was mislabelled, then!
St Joseph's RC Church (not in this photo?) was built in 1879.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] That's it alright. Well done.
Ah yes of course, it's the old St Joseph's Industrial School at Clifden.......
Sadly, it was to become notorious with certain activity which we should not discuss here, suffice to say that at least one member of staff spent a considerable time in custody for his part in that activity.... Enough said about that!
Perhaps the unfortunate legacy of this institution is the reason for the attempt to make it unidentifiable?
The building with the chapel appears to be St. Josephs industrial school, 1872 - 1983, so it's post 1872.
St Joseph's Industrial School was founded in 1861.... with the first phase of the building constructed in 1862.
If anyone knows anything about RIC uniforms you could probably date it from the funny hats.
Well done all of you! Perfect Street View comparison from MKSeery!
But before ye abandon ship, what about a date?
Railway started 1895 - so prior to this date
No sign of St. Josephs RC Church in this one, and I think it should be visible if built. From the DIA:
Name: O'CALLAGHAN, JOHN JOSEPH
Building: CO. GALWAY, CLIFDEN, CHURCH OF ST JOSEPH (RC)
Nature: New church. Tenders invited, Dec 1871. FS laid 28 Aug 1872 by Archbishop MacHale. Builder: P. Morris. Building in advanced state of progress by Oct 1874. Tower and spire added 1898 through exertions of Canon Lynskey, PP (tenders sought May, 1896,Jun 1898).
The Mark IIa Newfoundland dog was not made until 1880 and discontinued after WW1, if that's any help...
Somewhere between 1862 & 1870, it has to be....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/apl-irl Very earliest of our Lawrence photographs is 1865.
The OS 25" Danny gives above has a survey date of June1898, and shows St. Josephs without the tower and spire.
This might help
It appears from Danny's map that the building with the chapel is the convent and the building on the far side of the courthouse is the industrial school, which would make it post 1872.
But we know it's before October 1874, when the colossal church was at an advanced stage of building. I think that field between the camera and convent would be a building site from August 1872, the laying of the foundation stone.
The convent itself was from 1855, and the courthouse 1840, no help.
Well, you've got it down to two years then. Do you want me to go mad with the solar calculator and give you a date as well?
How the ***** you lot got Clifden from this I'll never know !!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I object to people making jokes about any (all) dogs in these photographs!!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] YES
Lunchtime at the end of april or the middle of august. I'd have guessed april from the bare branches but it looks quite warm from the posture of the three lads on the wall. Maybe people were just tougher in those days.
This is based on the courthouse which we know faces due south. I think the sun's about 10 degrees east of south and about 50 degrees above the horizon.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland thanks I learned from the master http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley
I think your best bet at getting a year is probably still the daft RIC flower-pot shakos.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] If you took a picture where I am today (south Dublin) and your great grandson looked at it in 100 years, he would conclude sometime between December 10th and February 2nd..........when will this weather improve!!!!!!
In the distance, on the right, you can see the Union Workhouse built in 1845.
Looks like the policemen would be contemporary with this picture royalirishconstabulary.webs.com/RIC%20Barracks.jpg but I've no idea when it's from.
It has occurred to me that the Ulster Folk and Transport Museum can probably date the policemen for you. They have a lot of images of RIC officers from various periods.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Is that you volunteering to contact them, she asks hopefully??? I'm sorry, but I just don't have time to do that kind of checking...
If it wasn't pissing rain the whole summer I'd probably drop by for a visit. I might check out their online archive and see if I can get a match.
I'm not sure it matches any of these. The hat seems to have an overhanging top as well as a brim, but it's too tall to be the back right one. I guess this means it's pre-1882. www.nmni.com/Home/Shop/Products/Photographs/Green-Collect...
As far as I can tell from images on the web, up to about 1868, they all had pickelhaubes, and by 1880, they all had pillboxes which were then replaced by a hat like the modern garda hat, and in between, there was 12 years of undatable mayhem. But the main problem appears to be that in 1870, policemen weren't interesting enough to photograph.
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I had a look again at the original super duper high res image and they look most like "a hat like the modern garda hat" as you say. Flat top and definitely a shiny peak over the forehead as both are reflecting the light. Interestingly, the chap on the left seems to have a beard. I think one of our photos had input on facial hair in the police...
Ah yes, it's this one!
If the chap on the right doesn't also have a beard then he's got a very high collar.
Fabulous shot, Galway entrance, looking east.