Viaduct and maybe a Mill - found to be Kilnap Viaduct, Cork

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Where: Cork, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1910

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This was the 8th of our "unknown location" Fergus O'Connor photographs, but not any longer! See below for tour de force identification by Niall McAuley of this as the Kilnap Viaduct in Cork...

This means that so far, you've all managed to "find" 7 of 8 hitherto unknown locations - fantastic work.

Date: Circa 1910?

NLI Ref.: OCO 84

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jun/2012 08:15:57

    I'll guess Kilmacthomas Viaduct and mill, but no big house... In this shot, you can see there is a steep bank to the left, the camera could be up there... Wait, wait! Viaduct, mill and house, all in Cork! Kilnap Viaduct! Yes, my money is now on Kilnap. If you look closely on the OS 25", you can even see the greenhouse at the left of Kilnap Glen House. Given the viewing angle along the edge of that greenhouse, I think the photographer must have been exactly here, on Kilnap Bridge, looking WSW. The 25" was surveyed in June 1900, which is no help at all with dating.

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    John Spooner

    • 08/Jun/2012 08:46:49

    Tassagh/ has a mill, but it doesn't look like this one. The piers (I think that's the term) at Kilnap are a much better match. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] I think your money's safe.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jun/2012 09:00:46

    Bada Bing!

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    Swordscookie

    • 08/Jun/2012 09:01:13

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Great work Niall! You've defeated the NLI tormentor in jig time. Now Carol put that in your pipe and smoke it:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jun/2012 09:01:22

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner (Love your new avatar!)

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    John Spooner

    • 08/Jun/2012 09:03:29

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Do you recognise who it is? It isn't me, by the way.

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    Swordscookie

    • 08/Jun/2012 09:04:13

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Indeed Niall, John is gone all PH Pearse on us. http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]

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    John Spooner

    • 08/Jun/2012 09:07:03

    Not PH Pearse

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    Swordscookie

    • 08/Jun/2012 09:08:49

    I didn't think so but that is the typical pose of PHP.

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    John Spooner

    • 08/Jun/2012 09:18:38

    A 'narrow escape of a serious or even fatal accident' at Kilnap Viaduct reported in the Morning Post (London) on Jan 19th 1854

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 08/Jun/2012 09:43:16

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Sherlock Holmes?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 08/Jun/2012 09:49:26

    Well chaps, I was off working in our Reading Room for an hour or so, but couldn't wait to get back to see if there was anything "shtirring" with this one! What a result - thanks http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley and http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner! And http://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie I've applied to HR here at Library Towers to have NLI Tormentor added to my job description. I wear that badge with pride! :) P.S. http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner "... and the breaks put on..." Is that a typo, or is that how brakes used be spelt in Victorian times? P.P.S. Who's on your avatar?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jun/2012 09:51:45

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner It's that guy who's mother had a nice ass, right?

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    Skink74

    • 08/Jun/2012 09:52:43

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley If you rotate that Bing view 180 degrees you can see what looks like the remains of the large mill building.

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    Swordscookie

    • 08/Jun/2012 09:55:19

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Great article John, I cannot imagine passengers being asked to walk across a bridge with a great big hole in the centre arch today. The Station Master was on the ball sending the new train out to collect the passengers from Dublin.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jun/2012 10:01:44

    Here is the viaduct under construction in 1849, so it was very new in 1854.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 08/Jun/2012 10:02:16

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley You better be talking about a donkey!! I'm leaving date as Circa 1910? unless or until someone comes up with amazing information that all the ivy was cleared from that pier in such and such a date, etc. At least with this one, we just have a 20 year window from 1900 to 1920...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jun/2012 10:03:51

    There seems to be some sort of viaduct-mill attraction. The first viaduct I checked was the Nine Arches in Milltown, Dublin, and there below it is a Laundry/Cloth Mill.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jun/2012 10:12:11

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Donkey, yes, a donkey. Ahem. So , [http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner], should we be addressing you as Lord Spooner :D

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jun/2012 10:19:50

    This Guy's Almanac page from 1875 shows Lambert, John F., Miller and Shaw, William H., Kilnap Mills. Both the mill shown and another corn mill a little downstream are marked as Disused in 1900.

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    Swordscookie

    • 08/Jun/2012 10:32:24

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Good man Niall, that mans mother had a very nice ass or donkey as the case may be.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jun/2012 10:33:29

    Wm Jas. Shaw Esq. was on the Cork Local Committee of the Cork and Bandon Railway according to this Bradshaw's from 1857. As you would be after they built that viaduct in your back garden!

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    John Spooner

    • 08/Jun/2012 11:18:07

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Well spotted. I've been called far worse.

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    John Spooner

    • 08/Jun/2012 11:32:07

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland 'break' v 'brake' The OED gives 'break' as an alternative form in the entry for brake, n - An apparatus for retarding the motion of a wheel by means of pressure applied to the circumference; usually consisting of a wooden block or an iron or steel band, and of a lever for pressing it against the tire The quotations using the 'break' spelling are from between 1838 and 1870, two of which refer to railways - That every carriage should be provided with a break. and Break or Convoy to Railway Carriages. a hand lever worked by the breaksman. So perhaps that speelling was considered correct in the 19th century and it isn't a typo after all.

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    John Spooner

    • 08/Jun/2012 12:07:08

    According to the long and detailed report of the Great Southern and Western Railway six-monthly general meeting in Freeman's Journal 20th Sep 1848, the stone for the viaduct came from a quarry near Blarney: for the contractor, having discovered a quarry in the neighbourhood of Blarney, which will produce stone of the requisite quality and dimensions for the Kinlap viaduct, will be able to proceed rapidly with that work

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    Eiretrains

    • 08/Jun/2012 12:10:47

    Interesting photo, the viaduct has only recently been tidied up, revealing the splendid structure. Kilnap Viaduct

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jun/2012 12:33:59

    This quarry in Blarney appears between the Ordnance Survey's of 1841 and 1901.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 08/Jun/2012 13:06:55

    Off topic, but HOOT HOOT or BEEP BEEP anyway, at the request of [http://www.flickr.com/photos/abaraphobia] I investigated some car registration numbers from the 1907 Irish Motor Directory. Have a look here to see early Irish motor enthusiasts collide (in a good way)! Oh, and I replaced the image with one at a higher res so you can see the cars to their best effect...

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    blackpoolbeach

    • 08/Jun/2012 14:25:58

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner] The convoy brake was in use on the wooden waggonways of North East England in the 1700s. www.communigate.co.uk/ne/chesterlestreetheritage/page30.p... Here is a waggonman sitting on the convoy. www.estherlederberg.com/EImages/Extracurricular/Coal/DSC0...

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    ClickKen04

    • 08/Jun/2012 15:15:16

    Jaysus, I am agog!!!! The questions went from bridges, to areas, to trains, to avatars to speed to time, to tracks to walking on, to someone's ass to reading to car registrations...to....where was I, what did I miss ? Was that ass a donkey or am I just Naive, lol

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    DannyM8

    • 08/Jun/2012 16:12:06

    Fantastic picture and fantastic detective work by all involved.. I wonder if they owned a dog in the big house?

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    ClickKen04

    • 08/Jun/2012 16:19:11

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] :-D

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    DannyM8

    • 08/Jun/2012 18:26:21

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/photoken04 BRILLIANT COMMENT you got it just right, where would you get this entertainment for free?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 08/Jun/2012 20:20:47

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] http://www.flickr.com/photos/photoken04 Should we start charging? :D

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    Swordscookie

    • 08/Jun/2012 20:48:57

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Are we not already paying our taxes not like some law breakers/makers??? Seriously Danny and Ken are dead right, this is a brilliant site and you are the key. Your responses and good humour together with judicious comments make this tick and together we (r)tock!

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    John Spooner

    • 08/Jun/2012 21:33:12

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie Well said.

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    dorameulman

    • 09/Jun/2012 01:22:47

    Great photo, I have a shot of this viaduct somewhere. The comments are once again hysterical. Brilliant stuff :)

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    maorlando - God keeps me as I lean on Him!!

    • 09/Jun/2012 13:58:56

    Ha Ha... only the Irish can be so entertaining and delightful... thanks for the fun!!! Oh and luv the vintage image!!!

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    abandoned railways

    • 12/Jun/2012 09:10:03

    www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=277669355648363&set=a... Modern day picture.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 12/Jun/2012 09:20:02

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/abandonedrailsireland Thanks for the modern day picture. It looks as if coughs there'll be rubble at t' mill.