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Where: Galway, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1910

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Wondering if this is the earliest sighting of a "Post No Bills" warning in our photos (in the archway at the right - no. 18). This is Shop Street, Galway obviously bathed in glorious sunshine, with a horse-drawn tram that's a little full, to say the least. Also delighted to spot the beautifully dressed woman with her bicycle.

Not too sure about date, so hopefully there are some clues in this shot to help us... This tram leaves us between 1879 and 1918, from Niall McAuley's link about the Galway and Salthill Tramway Company. And Niall also points out that if the photographer had turned left (and gone through a hole in the space-time continuum!), then he would have seen this view.

Thanks to mogey for providing us with a Street View of this now pedestrianised street.

Right, based on the comments below from Niall McAuley, DannyM8, RETRO STU and blackpoolbeach, we're going to go mad altogether and posit 1910 as a date for this one!

Date: Circa 1910

NLI Ref.: L_CAB_06802

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/May/2012 07:45:33

    The The Galway and Salthill Tramway Company operated a passenger tramway service in Galway between 1879 and 1918.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/May/2012 07:46:05

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley/ It always makes me laugh, timing you to see how quickly you'll spot the random dog!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/May/2012 07:53:28

    I believe that's Buttermilk Lane with the "Post No Bills" notice, see the OS 25" map at GeoHive.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/May/2012 07:57:33

    Xref: If the photographer looked left, he would see this view: April 19, 1964

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/May/2012 08:16:44

    I can't see the Pratt's ad, but I think 1890 is too early if we're talking about Pratt's Motor Spirit. The very earliest Irish motor cars (as he have seen previously) were around 1900..

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    DannyM8

    • 02/May/2012 08:22:42

    Esso Ireland website suggests Pratts is post 1898 when the Company was established in ireland. Esso Pratts

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    eyelightfilms

    • 02/May/2012 08:25:31

    "A little full"? it's like a train in India. Not a banjo-playing crusty to be seen either.

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    DannyM8

    • 02/May/2012 08:44:27

    Kennys Bookshop have researched this photo previously. Shop Street SORRY not this picture but a Picture from the same position on the SAME day with a Tram moving in the opposite direction. The following from Kenny (May 2008) suggests that the Photo is post 1909 to tie in with the Ryans Centenary. On the far right of picture we see the entrance to Buttermilk Lane and part of Anthony Ryan's Drapery Shop. Ryans will be celebrating their centenary in business next year, so if you have any old photographs or documents or even good stories about the shop, they would love to hear from you.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/May/2012 08:44:55

    On the W.L numbering scheme: In the nli archive, I see a very similar shot: sunshine, Buttermilk lane, wicker basket on the kerb but the tram is coming towards us! This is also the shot at the Kenny's page [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] found. It surely must have been taken within minutes of this one, the shadows are exactly the same. But this one is 6802, and that one is 5043. Those numbers are clearly not strictly chronological, dammit.

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    DannyM8

    • 02/May/2012 09:06:40

    Galway Library Same Street, Same Day?

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    blackpoolbeach

    • 02/May/2012 09:10:39

    The womens big hats are not before 1900. Schoolboys are wearing capes on the tram.

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    Abaraphobia

    • 02/May/2012 11:29:27

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ I wonder which photo was taken first? If the main picture was taken first, the running boy could be miles away, when the second photo was taken!? ;)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/May/2012 14:03:37

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/abaraphobia] Using the scientific method of staring at both photos 'til I went crosseyed, I have determined that this photo was taken after the one with the oncoming tram. The shadow of the tree on the gable wall at left moves slightly to touch the first floor window. Given that the tramway is single tracked, how did the trams pass? On the GeoHive OS 25" you can see that there are short double sections every now and then: the nearest is on the bridge at Bridge Street, which is where I suppose these two trams passed. So how long would it take a horse to amble from Eason's to Bridge Street and back? 5-10 minutes?

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    Swordscookie

    • 02/May/2012 14:44:49

    The thing about these old shots is that they are a feast for the eyes. There is so much going on and so many things to see that you could spend hours poring over them and still find something new. I was in Galway during the year and strolled along this stretch in very different weather conditions, we were looking for jackets to put on not taking them off. The corner near the end of the street is still out of alignment - my mother used to say there was a "gyuck" or dogleg in the road, meaning that it had a sharp bend or corner. Well done Niall the only question you haven't answered so far is why did the chicken cross the road;-))

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    dorameulman

    • 02/May/2012 18:07:43

    This is just brilliant I love it. Thanks once again for the photo and also the comments :)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/May/2012 19:44:13

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley I've put a note on the Pratt's Spirit signpost. Just above and to left of lady with bicycle.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/May/2012 19:59:00

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley As we've discovered before, the Lawrence glass plate numbering is not logically consecutive, AND there are different sequences. This photo (6802), and the one from the same spot with the tram oncoming (5043) are part of the Lawrence Cabinet or LCab sequence. The one http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] queries as being taken on the same day (and it is rare to have such sunny photos of Galway) is part of the Lawrence Royal sequence (10009)... If you'd like to see either Shop Street photo here, just shout!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/May/2012 20:02:13

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie Have never heard gyuck! That's even better than tackies.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/May/2012 20:12:24

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpoolbeach http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Have moved the dating goalposts by 20 years, based on your collective input. Suggesting 1910?

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    maorlando - God keeps me as I lean on Him!!

    • 03/May/2012 04:25:05

    Marvelous!!!

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    [email protected]

    • 03/May/2012 06:16:36

    Excellent, i like it!

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    mogey

    • 03/May/2012 08:34:58

    g.co/maps/ktmp9 sorry just cant resist streeview! How cluttered it looks now

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/May/2012 09:32:12

    In fairness, the street is pedestrianised now, so the Streetview car could only get up there during delivery hours when all the other vans are up there too. Most of the time, there is even less vehicular traffic today than in 1910 (i.e. no trams).

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    raju+raza

    • 03/May/2012 18:29:46

    good is nice

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/May/2012 18:36:54

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/mogey So lovely Buttermilk Lane is gone? :(

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/May/2012 19:52:46

    The lane is still there, it's just that Anthony Ryan's shop is now on both sides of it.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/May/2012 19:57:41

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Ah, good!

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    RETRO STU

    • 04/May/2012 14:29:41

    Pratt's Motor Spirits and the style of blouses suggest to me a date closer to 1910.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 04/May/2012 17:26:26

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Grand so Stu, we'll stick with 1910, unless someone comes up with compelling evidence to the contrary.

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    RETRO STU

    • 10/Jun/2012 09:10:26

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Indeed, if it's too good to be true it's too good to be true! Reeks of a scam or Ponzi scheme.

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    Abaraphobia

    • 10/Jun/2012 09:21:31

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ...and who is Joe? And what's it got to do with this picture, or Flickr!? :(

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 10/Jun/2012 13:37:42

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] http://www.flickr.com/photos/abaraphobia That "user" now blocked!

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    RETRO STU

    • 10/Jun/2012 13:52:45

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Joe? Did I mention a Joe? You got me there! Stuart.

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    Abaraphobia

    • 10/Jun/2012 15:08:59

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] No- it was the spammer that mentioned Joe! He was trying to personalise it!!

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    RETRO STU

    • 10/Jun/2012 15:33:53

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] No problem, thanks.

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    woodworker_34

    • 22/Jan/2013 16:19:42

    Could it be dog no 2 just in front and to the left of the well dressed mother and daughter.

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    clear eggnog

    • 07/Sep/2013 15:41:37

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected], I think you are right, for a moment the girl had a peg leg but then I looked at the full size version and realised it is either a dog or perhaps some kind of toy?

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    fsaldivarl

    • 14/Oct/2013 23:44:16

    Great picture of historical Street.

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    kristavanichinnsamy

    • 07/Mar/2014 07:37:41

    Very interesting. This pictures.