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Where: Cork, Ireland

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When: 22 June 1966

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... taken on the Lower Road, Crosshaven, Co. Cork by James O'Dea, and we can just see his shadow down the bottom topped off by his distinctive hat. Was wondering if J. Kidney is still in the butcher business, and Niall McAuley provided the answer with this Street View link. Thanks also to blackpoolbeach for this bird's eye OSI view.

And great Crosshaven continuity in evidence from guliolopez with this PDF of Guys Cork Almanac 1945 (just scroll down a few pages to find Crosshaven listings). As guliolopez says:
"Carefully skirts any kidney jokes, and into the meat of it with a couple of notes:

# The 1945 directory puts Kidney's butchers at the same spot. (Guy's Almanac typically flags victuallers with a "v") So the Kidney family have been subject to awful puns in Crosshaven for ~60 years.

# The same 1945 directory shows "J. Desmond" also in Pier House. But no indication as to what the business was. May query the local knowledge pool on that one.

# Fitzgibbon's shop - responsible for the gable-end adornments - is also still there. Interesting that the Street View photo shows a HB sign in almost exactly the same spot as the Lucan Ices "mural". (Hinting at a ~60 year tradition advertising their cold treats in exactly the same spot).
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Date: Wednesday, 22 June 1966

NLI Ref.: ODEA 42/53

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    Wendy:

    • 01/May/2012 07:45:05

    :) "What's in a name?"

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    Brian Mulligan.me

    • 01/May/2012 08:11:46

    That was terrible, hang your head in shame!

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    eyelightfilms

    • 01/May/2012 08:22:26

    I like the way those shadows lead to the bicycle.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/May/2012 08:29:21

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/int0lerant I'm offaly sorry!

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    eyelightfilms

    • 01/May/2012 08:37:40

    That car's a bit of a tricky one. Maybe a Vauxhall Cresta PB, but I'm not 100% convinced of that.

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    RETRO STU

    • 01/May/2012 08:47:40

    A butcher called Kidney!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/May/2012 08:48:41

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/eyelightfilms Well, at least you've set the ball rolling...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/May/2012 08:49:18

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Perfect, isn't it? Couldn't resist such serendipitous naming.

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    RETRO STU

    • 01/May/2012 08:51:10

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Possibly a Vauxhall Viva Delux model?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/May/2012 08:58:06

    Kidney's butcher shop is still there in Streetview

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    BultacoFan

    • 01/May/2012 09:03:53

    Hi folks, I've finally joined up after a long time 'lurking' in the shadows! Another excellent photo. I was initially convinced that the car was a Mk 1 Ford Escort because of the thin rear lights, but the Escort didn't come out until 1968. It does look like a Cresta.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/May/2012 09:06:56

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Perfect, Niall, thanks! I knew I was a little off, location-wise. Shame they painted over the gable wall ad. Great advertising, and wouldn't it make anyone passing by smile?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/May/2012 09:12:44

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] You're very welcome, especially now you've leapt out of the lurking shadows! :)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/May/2012 09:13:07

    So that's two votes for a Cresta then?

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    BultacoFan

    • 01/May/2012 09:18:30

    Nice to 'meat' you all! Do you have any motorcycling photos hidden in your vast archive?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/May/2012 09:24:00

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Oooh, bad pun - you'll fit in! :0 There are some on here: Friday, 19 May 1922 and Friday, 3 January 1930. Search for motorbike/motorcycle, etc. If I find any good ones, I'll bear you in mind...

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    Brian Mulligan.me

    • 01/May/2012 09:27:36

    People just don't mince their words on this thread do they! Sorry, I'm gone!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/May/2012 09:29:41

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/int0lerant Well, there is a lot at steak, after all.

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    CHG PRO PHOTOGRAPHY incorporating the APL archives

    • 01/May/2012 10:05:08

    The surname of Kidney is still very much in existence all over Co. Cork, particularly in Cobh....

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    known order

    • 01/May/2012 10:32:23

    One of my schoolteachers was called 'Mr. Kane'.

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    blackpoolbeach

    • 01/May/2012 10:54:11

    Here is the location on OSI maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,579370,561380,7,0 June 22nd is near the Summer Solstice, when the sun sets in the North-West at about 10.00pm Irish Standard Time. www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/eu/is...

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 01/May/2012 11:12:57

    I could be misteaken, but I think the white car is a Vauxhall Victor FC 101, like this one - [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6830579538/]

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    eyelightfilms

    • 01/May/2012 11:43:01

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I thought a Victor FC, as it seems to be the closest match, but notice that dipped down centre section of the rear bumper. The car in the 1966 photo looks to have a bumper that's straight all the way across.

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    Star Cat

    • 01/May/2012 11:45:17

    You didn't really say that now, really? And you, with an award!

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    ClickKen04

    • 01/May/2012 12:46:47

    Classic Carol. Bet you never thought a car would generate so much discussion.... by men ironically, lol. Your pickings generate great debate!

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    DannyM8

    • 01/May/2012 14:45:55

    Just saw a reference in the online census for Crosshaven one of the Kidney's married a Bean from just up the hill at no22, I bet the children go by the double barrelled name Kidney-Beans! We should search them out.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/May/2012 14:48:14

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/photoken04 All part of Flickr's rich tapestry! I never know what's going to spark debate really...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/May/2012 14:48:56

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Evidence please! That's just too good to be true... :D

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/May/2012 14:49:58

    And if the Kidneys moved from Crosshaven to Cobh, would that be a Kidney Transplant? Help!! I can't stop...

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    DannyM8

    • 01/May/2012 14:56:05

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland No Evidence. A little Birdie told me...........

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    Ray_Flynn

    • 01/May/2012 15:30:00

    My first thought was also a Vauxhall Viva, my dad had one when i was a child

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    guliolopez

    • 01/May/2012 16:03:34

    Carefully skirts any kidney jokes, and into the meat of it with a couple of notes: # The 1945 directory puts Kidney's butchers at the same spot. (Guy's Almanac typically flags victuallers with a "v") So the Kidney family have been subject to awful puns in Crosshaven for ~60 years. # The same 1945 directory shows "J. Desmond" also in Pier House. But no indication as to what the business was. May query the local knowledge pool on that one. # Fitzgibbon's shop - responsible for the gable-end adornments - is also still there. Interesting that the Street View photo shows a HB sign in almost exactly the same spot as the Lucan Ices "mural". (Hinting at a ~60 year tradition advertising their cold treats in exactly the same spot).

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    anthony1928 (Have A Great Day)

    • 01/May/2012 16:37:51

    Great image and capture.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/May/2012 18:43:16

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thank you, that's all fantastic! So good of you to help flesh out our description. I love when we get to beef up the information that we have, so that we're not stewing in ignorance...

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    blackpoolbeach

    • 01/May/2012 19:19:05

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland No need to feel a silly sausage.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/May/2012 20:16:45

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpoolbeach Stop grilling me!

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    mickyman13

    • 01/May/2012 21:34:33

    Looks more like the Vauxhall Victor, the Cresta was a more rounded shape and it looks too big for the Viva. Any way is it time to stop kidding about, the real question is was it very windy in the Kidney - Bean house for the poor Kidney - Beans kids Chili and Con Carne Time to stop offaling on. Keep the Photos coming I look foreward to the daliy posting from you

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 01/May/2012 22:57:08

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/eyelightfilms] [http://www.flickr.com/photos/mickhuett] Yes, the piece CHOPped out of the bumper doesn't seem to be matching., unless someone added a piece to FILLET. If I am allowed a second helping, how about an Opel Kadett B? Were these imported to Ireland in the 1960s? They had horizontal tail lights, unlike the Viva. In a bit of a stew ...

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    eyelightfilms

    • 01/May/2012 23:14:46

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] The lights are a better match but I think this car looks a bit larger than a Kadett. Not sure when Opel first appeared in Ireland. Got me thinking though and it does look a bit like an Opel Rekord A

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/May/2012 07:28:20

    I've been looking up the various suggestions for what model the white car is, but I haven't really believed any of them until... [http://www.flickr.com/photos/eyelightfilms] 's Opel Rekord A, which gets my douze points.

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    Swordscookie

    • 02/May/2012 14:58:47

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/starycat You have to realise that our Carol is too sensible to chop and change just because she has achieved fame and awards, she is a true blue and will remain so but some of those puns would make one wonder. I remember all of the cars mentioned above and agree with Niall and Eyelightfilms that this is most likely the Rekord A rather than either the Viva or the Kadett.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/May/2012 20:44:17

    So are we all agreed about the Opel Rekord A then? Speak now or forever hold your peas!

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 02/May/2012 21:40:49

    Rather than risk a roasting, I'll join the gravy train, just for the rekord. Live and let liver.

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    Swordscookie

    • 03/May/2012 08:39:02

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Grrrrroan, in fairness that is as good a note to sign off on as any, great concentration of dreadful puns!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 16/May/2016 20:49:22

    I have just added this photo to our 50,000+ Views Album. https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/sets/72157651136879037

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 16/May/2016 21:23:58

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Or 50,000+ BUTCHER's (butcher's hook = look, in cockney rhyming slang)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 16/May/2016 22:19:27

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Ah yes - Butcher's puns on NLI Flickr - a medium where anything well done is rare :)

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    guliolopez

    • 16/May/2016 22:20:41

    Starting to wish I was gone a bit "mutton" myself...

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    Ciandalton

    • 12/Jan/2019 17:28:38

    My Grandfather took over this business in December '69

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    fraser donachie

    • 03/Oct/2020 18:26:03

    www.flickr.com/photos/-phraser-/3775615732/