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    Chris Devers

    • 29/Dec/2011 20:26:05

    These two appear to be the same biplane: [http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/6556195497/in/set-72157628101275589/] [http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/6556195527/in/set-72157628101275589] Not sure what it is though. It almost looks like something from Blériot, with the broad tail wings like that, but I'm having trouble finding one that seems to be a match. The closest could be the Blériot, II, but that seemed to have vertical fabric segments between the upper & lower wings in both the main & tail wings, and the plane in this photo doesn't seem to be like that: Also, the plane in that photo is a flying boat, and this one has wheels. So there's that, too. Could be in the same family though?

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    Chris Devers

    • 29/Dec/2011 20:30:28

    Ah, here we go: is this a Farman Biplane or Farman III? The features seem similar, including: • seems to be a pusher design • combination ski / dual-wheeled undercarriage • fore & aft biplane wing structure • similar pattern to the vertical struts: |___|___|_|_|___|___| The Bristol Boxkite seems to be very similar (apparently Farman sued Bristol for stealing the design), but the Boxkite seems to have two vertical tails, and this aircraft only has one, so I suspect this isn't a Boxkite, unless there were variant designs with a different tail construction.

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    Danny Beath

    • 01/Jan/2012 11:16:49

    this looks like a wright flyer, the 1st powered aircraft to successfully fly

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    Chris Devers

    • 03/Jan/2012 18:25:05

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/flickering_velvet] danny beath, BSc, PhD. : Well, again I don't know the terminology here, but with most or all modern airplanes, the primary lifting wing is in the middle or front of the aircraft, and the smaller wing with the control surfaces is at the tail. With the Wright Flyer, the main wings were at the back, and there was an assembly that held the smaller control surface wings in front of the aircraft. The plane here has yet a different design. Like typical modern air craft, the "primary" control wings are in the back, but there also seems to be a "secondary" control wing in the front — so it's almost like a hybrid design between the Wright Flyer and that which came later. When I was looking for this plane the other day, I was also thinking it resembles a Wright Flyer, but I wasn't able to find any photos of any of their planes that looked like a match for this one. The closest plane I was able to find is the Farman Biplane, which in all major structural details — landing skids with four wheels in a row, fore & aft control wings, a single vertical rudder wing at the aft, etc — seems to be a match for the one in this photo. The Wikipedia article on the Farman Biplane says it descends from the design of the Voisin 1907 biplane, and from Wikipedia's photo, there are some similarities, but also some differences (only seems to have two wheels, different construction of the fore & aft assemblies, etc): My best guess is still Farman III Biplane.

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    San Diego Air & Space Museum Archives

    • 03/Jan/2012 18:36:03

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/cdevers] I think you are correct! After searching our photo stream for the Farman, I found several which were very similar, such as: www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4989962509/

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    Chris Devers

    • 03/Jan/2012 21:39:46

    There you go! This photo even has the same (?) hot air balloon in the background: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4990569346/

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    Kees Kort Collection

    • 22/Jul/2013 04:43:00

    Another view of the Henry Farman Type III pusher biplane flown by Louis Paulhan during the Los Angelos International Air Meet 1910. In the background can be seen the tethered balloon of the Los Angeles Examiner newspaper. Although not readable in this view the advertising around the ballon says 'IT'S ALL IN THE EXAMINER'. As I wrote already there are lots and lots of shots of Louis Paulhan flying in the Los Angeles Meet as he was one of the star performers.

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    ivanocheretenko

    • 10/Apr/2021 21:24:45

    This is a Farman-4 single rudder pusher biplane with Gnome rotary engine 50 h.p. Very successful Airplane of earlydays Flying.