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Good morning all, it's great to be back and hopefully the site hasn't gone to hell in a handcart in my absence? To start the week on a weird one we have a postcard that appears to have originated in the United States with a plea for recognition of the "Irish Republic"! The date of this should be interesting, was it in the aftermath of the 1916 Rising, during the War of Independence or after the declaration of the Irish Republic in 1949?
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NLI Ref.: MS 17,688/21
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ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Hmmm ... seems to be in New York (not San Francisco) c. 1920, according to - www.museum.ie/en-IE/Collections-Research/Collection/Forei...
John Spooner
Kerry Reporter - Saturday 07 August 1920
John Spooner
More USA 1920 election politics
Niall McAuley
The USA recognized the Irish Free State after the civil war in 1924. This has to be before then, when De Valera was was pressing for a Republic (the first time).
Niall McAuley
Google search suggests The American Commission on Irish Independence existed in 1919, to pressure the US in the 1919 Paris Peace conference post WW1.
Niall McAuley
I see docs with 411 Fifth Avenue as their address. Does not look like a match to me.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29809546@N00/ "Slim" Feiners, John? 😀
John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Fixed. The OCR does its best with smudged newsprint, but if it can't find an English word which matches, it substitutes what it thinks might be a good fit, or just leaves gobbledegook (often with hilarious results). I go though and correct everything I see, but Slim Feiners slipped through the net.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
" ... On New Years Eve 1921 Eamon de Valera returned to Ireland, evading notice by British authorities. The headquarters of the American Commission for Irish Freedom at No. 411 5th Avenue was besieged with well-wishers “jubilant at this new evasion of British vigilance by the man whom Irish revolutionaries elected ‘President of the Irish Republic’ while he was a fugitive from British justice,” reported the New York Tribune. ... " From a fascinating history of the 1915 art nouveau building - daytoninmanhattan.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-unique-1915-no.... 411 Fifth Avenue View - goo.gl/maps/x3f8THQZzp8FyaoY9 Edit - some similar white marble panels seen under the posters are still evident on the building around the door on the left.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Hmm - that blog says the Columbia Shop had the ground floor retail space at 411. Perhaps this photo is somewhere else ... ?
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Mapping to 411 5th Avenue, New York - Cancelled
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Except is does say "HEADQUARTERS of American Commission on Irish Independence and Friends of Irish Freedom".
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
I don't know. But sometimes Flickr is COMPLETELY amazing! In 2018 via https://www.flickr.com/photos/18378305@N00/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/18378305@N00/52060287714/
John Spooner
The American Commission on Irish Independence held a conference in San Francisco in June 1920, as a sideshow to the Democratic convention Aberdeen Press and Journal - Monday 28 June 1920:
oaktree_brian_1976
Probably in New York, in 1919 they had an office at 280 Broadway. The Irish standard. [volume] (Minneapolis, Minn. ;), 30 Aug. 1919. Chronicling America: Historic American Newspapers. Lib. of Congress. chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn90059959/1919-08-30/ed-...
Niall McAuley
It doesn't look like a New York building to me - looks to be just 1 storey, and is not made of 90 degree angles.
Niall McAuley
The SF office was open at least from 1920-22, the The Bancroft Library, University of California, Berkeley has records (not online).
John Spooner
This website says that The Friends of Irish Freedom (on the panel next to the door) was a Californian organisation formed in 1916 which merged with the AARIR.
suckindeesel
The NMI copy was brought back from NY by Liam Mellows, who returned to Ireland in Nov 1920
sam2cents
Judging by those clothes there's no way it's any time after 1930, so it's got to be after the 1916 Rising. There's something funny about that big map of Ireland though.
oaktree_brian_1976
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley I googled 280 Broadway, it's an historic building that looks nothing like this. Was the HQ for the New York Sun newspaper and has an interesting clock on it.
oaktree_brian_1976
I just noticed the US flag has 6x8 stars, the 48-star flag was in use from 1912 to 1959... So that's a big help in dating!
Niall McAuley
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/sam2cents] That map of Ireland is the result of the 1918 general election. There is a version in the NLI archive with a different colour scheme. In todays map, most of the constituencies are mid-grey for Sinn Fein. The dark colour is for the Irish Parliamentary Party, the remains of Parnell's nationalists, and the light colour is the Unionist constituencies.