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No soft Homburg, and definitely no top hat for Mr De Valera today. Instead he has donned a fetching pair of dark sunglasses.

Now we don't know where or whose funeral this was, or if indeed, it was a funeral. Might it have been a commemorative event? Also, we'd love confirmation that Margaret Pearse and Tomás Derrig (Ó Deirg) are in this photo too? What band was this? Their insignia looks quite distinctive. And as usual, any and all other information will be gratefully received.

Photographer: Unknown

Collection: Éamon de Valera Photographic Collection

Date: ?

NLI Ref: NPA DEV61

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    suckindeesel

    • 24/Aug/2023 08:06:28

    Bodenstown?

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    O Mac

    • 24/Aug/2023 08:07:57

    Wolfe Tones grave at Bodenstown catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000355643

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    suckindeesel

    • 24/Aug/2023 08:19:16

    "Republicans, you have come here today to the tomb of Wolfe Tone on a pilgrimage of loyalty. By your presence you proclaim your undiminished attachment to the ideals of Tone, and your unaltered devotion to the cause for which he gave his life. It is your answer to those who would have it believed that the Republic of Ireland is dead and its cause abandoned." - de Valera, Bodenstown 1925

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Aug/2023 08:25:53

    Streetview of the graveyard, the Wolfe Tone memorial is on the other side of the ruined church. [Edit} Corrected, thanks [https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03]

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Aug/2023 08:27:46

    Trying to find a flickr shot, but many are NSFW with assorted dodgy characters in them.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Aug/2023 08:29:34

    The flagpoles at left in the Streetview are at right in this reverso: Bodenstown 1

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    O Mac

    • 24/Aug/2023 08:30:36

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/30369211@N00/ Your streetview link has become a statecar link.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Aug/2023 08:31:44

    Per wikipedia: The tomb was restored in 1971. Also: Since 1922 there have been rival parades on different June Sundays due to schisms within Irish republicanism.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Aug/2023 08:42:04

    Here is Margaret Pearse at Bodenstown in 1921 from the RTE satills archive. If that is her at right in todays shot, we are some years after 1921. The mens fashions don't tell us much, but the lady at right with the perm and the jaunty beret is very 1930s Greta Garbo.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Aug/2023 08:47:24

    Did Tomás Derrig wear glasses? If so, he could be the taller man to the right of the buglers. [Edit} yes, he did. Derrig was Minister for Education from 1932.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Aug/2023 08:57:16

    I think the man immediately left of the buglers could be Ernest Blythe, maybe 10 years after that wiki photo.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Aug/2023 08:58:37

    3rd from the left, Hugo Flinn?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Aug/2023 09:03:41

    If it is Margaret Pearse, the photo is before April 1932 when she died. It does not look like here to me: shot in the Pearse Museum

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 24/Aug/2023 09:03:48

    In 1922 - youtu.be/ucRPPRmUV6E?si=UGD-Bz0Q44FMicnK

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    DannyM8

    • 24/Aug/2023 09:13:07

    Niall McAuley Could it be Margaret Mary Pearse the sister?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Aug/2023 09:15:17

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/79549245@N06] Yes, I believe it is! Margaret Pearse & boys of St. Enda's, ca. 1930?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Aug/2023 09:28:28

    The Cabinet of 1932, I think Dev and Derrig are the only ones in shot.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 24/Aug/2023 09:37:28

    Thanks https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03/ for confirming Bodenstown. So https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley/, we can take it this was a June Sunday in the 1930s, thank you. And Margaret Mary Pearse, the daughter, not her mother, Margaret Pearse.

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    John Spooner

    • 24/Aug/2023 11:59:05

    I was wondering about the dark glasses - was it a sunny day? should I look at weather reports from the 1930s? Then I came across this photo with the caption: President Éamon de Valera arriving at Euston, London, en route to Zurich for an eye operation. His eyes are shielded by dark glasses. 5 January 1937

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    John Spooner

    • 24/Aug/2023 12:08:54

    The Derry Journal, reporting on the the trip to Zurich, said he'd had a previous eye operation from Dr Vogt 'last March' i.e. March 1936, and that "When he returned to Dublin in early May the President was obliged to use very dark glasses, but latterly he discarded these for others of a lighter tint" (Derry Journal - Monday 04 January 1937) Which strongly suggests it's the June 21st 1936 June 14th 1936 pilgrimage. The 21st June was the date of the IRA ceremony which never happened (see below)

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    John Spooner

    • 24/Aug/2023 12:26:17

    There seems to have been very little press coverage of ceremonial part of the day in 1936, but loads about de Valera banning the IRA, trains being cancelled, a protest demonstration in Dublin which turned ugly (with baton charges ), arrests, and the army being present in great numbers in a 10-mile radius round Bodenstown.

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    John Spooner

    • 24/Aug/2023 12:42:54

    Derry Journal - Monday 15 June 1936

    THE FIANNA FAIL PILGRIMAGE President de Vaiera subsequently led a procession of the Fianna Fall organisation from Sallins to the graveside. He laid a wreath on the grave and reviewed the procession as it marched past. Afterwards Mr. Derrig, Minister for Education, addressed the gathering
    The Belfast News-letter on the same day states that A wreath was laid on the grave and the "Last Post" was sounded . Is that the moment captured in today's photo?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 24/Aug/2023 13:03:07

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Could be the Last Post, as I don't think the drummers are doing any drumming. And are they bugles, rather than small trumpets?

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    Carol Maddock

    • 24/Aug/2023 13:13:25

    From De Valera's "own" paper, the Irish Press, 15 June 1936, and it lists Tomás Ó Deirg, Aire Oidechais (Education Minister), and Miss M. Pearse, T.D. as being present.

    Members of the Old I.R.A. gormed a Guard of Honour around the graveside as Mr. de Valera laid the wreath on behalf of Fianna Fáil. The "Last Post" was sounded by buglers from St. James's Band, which had led the procession to the cemetery.
    We need images of the contemporary St. James's Band uniform... :)

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    Carol Maddock

    • 24/Aug/2023 13:16:09

    Hold the Back Page!! This photo is on the back page of the Irish Press, on Monday 15 June 1936.

    Fianna Fáil Pilgrimage The scene at the grave of Wolfe Tone during the sounding of the Last Post. Included are: Mr. de Valera, Mr. T. O Deirg, Mr. S. MacEntee, Mr. Conor Maguire, Miss M. Pearse, Mr. Oscar Traynor, Mr. P. J. Little, Mr. Cormac Breathnach, and Mr. P. Morrissey.

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 24/Aug/2023 13:32:00

    This drumstick looks blurred to me, suggesting movement or a nervous twitch. The bald guy with glasses looks familiar, as does the taller fellow wearing glasses behind the drummer. I have seen their faces before. Doesn't seem like a funeral, very few are wearing black. De Valera is the only one wearing sunglasses, so maybe his eyes were sensitive or teary.

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    John Spooner

    • 24/Aug/2023 13:48:27

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] I don't think bugles have those 3 valves. I think these are cornets. It is possible to play the Last Post on a cornet www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hiya16MIIpA

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Aug/2023 14:18:12

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/47297387@N03 OK, knowing that McEntee is in shot, I think that must be him obscured by the left hand bugler.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Aug/2023 14:20:02

    I cannot see Oscar Traynor, though.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 24/Aug/2023 14:22:58

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/47297387@N03 Here is MacEntee, can you find him in the photo? https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/52307767743 Ps Well done to you and https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 24/Aug/2023 14:25:29

    Oscar Traynor - I think that is him behind the hat of the man with the bass drum? https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/7541615018

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 24/Aug/2023 14:26:35

    We also had the St James's Band in this photo. https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/26203288753

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    Carol Maddock

    • 24/Aug/2023 15:28:01

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland I cannot find Sean MacEntee. Have scoured all men for that crinkly hair, but to no avail.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 24/Aug/2023 15:29:23

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Maybe add notes on our Best Guestimates? Bestimates?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Aug/2023 15:46:10

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland OK, I can see it, that could be Traynor. The McEntee pic you show is from 1922, 15 years earlier. He has aged even by the 1932 cabinet shot I linked earlier. Pretty sure it is him behind the left bugler.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Aug/2023 15:53:03

    Could be the then AG Conor Maguire between the two drummers. Was appointed a High Court judge in November that year, not too many photos. The wikipedia article has a portrait, but if it is himself it is years later.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Aug/2023 15:58:57

    I think Cormac Breathnach, a TD at the time and later Lord Mayor of Dublin is behind and to our right of Dev.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Aug/2023 16:10:21

    I think the man in profile beside Margaret Pearse is P.J. Little. Here he is at the back of a group at Government Buildings in 1938.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 24/Aug/2023 17:52:08

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/47297387@N03 https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Add away as you see fit.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 24/Aug/2023 19:49:38

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Thank you for the notes. Mary