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Where: Leinster, Dublin City, Ireland
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When: 01 June 1945
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The Blue Hussars lead the inauguration parade of Seán T. O'Kelly (nó Seán T. Ó Ceallaigh) in Dublin, June 1945.
'Twould make an old library very happy if we could get an approximate time of day when this photograph was taken... Regular Morning Mary is on her holliers at the moment. She, no doubt, would be promising Virtual Sticky Buns as a reward. I'm stingier, and hope you'll do it For The Glory!
Photographer: Unknown
Collection: Seán T. Ó Ceallaigh Photographic Collection
Date: Monday, 25 June 1945, at approx. 13:35
NLI Ref: NPA OKE/62
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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'Twould make an old library very happy if we could get an approximate time of day when this photograph was taken... Regular Morning Mary is on her holliers at the moment. She, no doubt, would be promising Virtual Sticky Buns as a reward. I'm stingier, and hope you'll do it For The Glory!
Photographer: Unknown
Collection: Seán T. Ó Ceallaigh Photographic Collection
Date: Monday, 25 June 1945, at approx. 13:35
NLI Ref: NPA OKE/62
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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O Mac
It is still Hanlon's.... maps.app.goo.gl/fyvomaJsKwkBNBX49 my guess would be that photo was taken shortly before midday... shadows are to the NNW
Niall McAuley
Wikipedia includes a photo in O'Connell Street labelled: The inauguration of Seán T. O'Kelly as President of Ireland in 1945. The 2nd Cavalry Squadron of the Blue Hussars escort the President, who travelled in the late Queen Alexandra's landau. The Landau and the Hussars were later scrapped which may explain why I never heard of them before.
Niall McAuley
A pic auctioned at Whytes is labellled: The Blue Hussars, officially called the Mounted Escort, was a ceremonial unit of the Irish Army established in 1932. It escorted the President of Ireland on state occasions, most famously to and from presidential inaugurations between 1938, when the first president took office, and 1948 when the Escort was disbanded.Seven photographs of the procession of president Sean T. O'Kelly on his inauguration. O'Kelly travelled in the late Queen Alexandra's horse-drawn landau, the first (and only) time when a president went to his or her inauguration in a horse-drawn carriage rather than a car, escorted by the Mounted Escort, or Blue Hussars"; together with a copy photograph of mounted British troops at Dublin Castle. (8)"
Niall McAuley
So the route was Dublin Castle, up O'Connell Street and then presumably North Circular Road? (Or some shorter but windier route) to the Phoenix Park.
Niall McAuley
Yes, in NPA OKE/65 they are turning from Berkeley Road onto the NCR. So Castle, College Green, O'Connell St. Parnell Square, Berkeley St/Rd, NCR, todays shot at Hanlon's Corner and into the Phoenix Park.
Niall McAuley
NPA OKE/63 shows O'Kelly in the landau passing Hanlon's.
Niall McAuley
At Getty Images: Crowds watching the inauguration of Irish President Sean T O'Kelly, St Patrick's Hall, Dublin Castle, June 26th 1945. (Photo by Keystone/Hulton Archive/Getty Images)
John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley "The inaugural ceremony itself was held in the impressive cream and gold hall of St. Patrick in Dublin Castle which presented a colourful scene when the President elect arrived to be installed. " (Belfast Telegraph - Monday 25 June 1945)
suckindeesel
Looks more like the trappings of an imperial empire than the inauguration of a republic’s president. Reminds me of Dev’s top hat.
Niall McAuley
And now, in Moving Pictures! (from the NFI) The fillum skips from College Green to Aras an Uachtaran in the Park.
John Spooner
Dublin newspapers for the week in question seem to be absent from the BNA for the week in question, but I couldn't help noticing that - the Belfast News-letter in its report of the inauguration enclosed the word "president" in inverted commas, including in the headline "President" of Eire: Installation of Mr. O'Kelly - The Belfast Telegraph seemed to be obsessed with hats
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 Yes, very Royal looking. I imagine that is why they got rid of the Hussars and fancy Landau. i wonder how Queen Alexandra's Landau ended up in Dublin?
Niall McAuley
More from wikipedia: apparently O'Kelly liked the horse draw carriage, Dev wanted a motor car: Initially O'Kelly got his wish and he was transported to the 1945 Irish presidential inauguration in the landau of the late Queen Alexandra the Queen Mother, which had been hired specially from a Dublin livery company. The landau was accompanied by the Irish presidential Mounted Escort, the Blue Hussars. Contrary to expectations, the use of the landau proved a major success. In response, the new Irish state travel company, Córas Iompair Éireann (CIÉ) offered to build a special presidential carriage for use on state occasions. However, in his enthusiasm for the project and contrary to warnings that the horses had not yet been fully trained to deal with crowds, the President insisted that the new carriage, drawn by horses, be used to bring him to the historic Dublin Horse Show at the Royal Dublin Society in August 1946. The crowds stood up and cheered as the President and Mrs O'Kelly entered the showgrounds in the carriage. The horses took fright, reared up and the coach jackknifed. De Valera seized the moment and abolished the use of the presidential carriage (except for going to the RDS). Instead he ordered that the Irish state buy a new Rolls-Royce. The Blue Hussars were abolished the following year.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Perhaps there was a shortage of petrol due to the
WarEmergency?Ger Cos
O Mac With the length of the shadows, I would guess no later than 10am.
John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley If anyone was wondering while watching the newsreel, "Mrs. O'Kelly wore a costume of light cornflower blue." (Belfast Telegraph)
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner I think Dev's Homburg instead of a top hat is of a piece with his dislike of horse-drawn carriages and Hussars. Republican vs. the pro-Treaty/Free State opposition who are in full morning dress.
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Thank you all! Thoroughly enjoying all of this, especially the O'Kelly v. Dev transport/clothing wrangling, and the Belfast
TelegraphNewsletter "president" burn! Two guesstimates of the time of this photo so far. "No later than 10am" from Ger Cos, and O Mac with "taken shortly before midday".DannyM8
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/72145507@N02] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Have a look at this Invitation to the Inauguration It does not start in Dublin Castle until 12.30 and as I understand it this photo is taken on the return leg to the Arus? If that is the case lets give the ceremony at Dublin Castle a minimum of 30 mins and then at least another 30 mins to get to Hanlons so we must be 13.30 or later?
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/79549245@N06 That invitation is gorgeous! Taking this bid of "13:30 or later" from https://www.flickr.com/photos/79549245@N06/. Any more exact advance on that? " ...Or later" is very strong hedging of bets, Danny!
John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland The "president" thing was the Belfast News-letter, which started its report "With ostentatious display ..." but the rest is (disappointingly) descriptive. It also mentions that the procession stopped at the GPO for a minute's silence.
DannyM8
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner 13.31 or later - I missed the minute's silence in my calculation!
DannyM8
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland https://www.flickr.com/photos/72145507@N02 https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03 I have no concept of the time in relation to the shadows, but there are good shadows on view in the moving pictures https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley links to above - see O'Connell Street at 4.00 minutes into the movie.
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/30369211@N00/ I wonder where it is now? Is it languishing in some museum overflow cellar like the cache of horse drawn carriages I once stumbled across.
suckindeesel
More photos www.adams.ie/10873/Inauguration-of-Second-President-of-Ir...
suckindeesel
The Hussars www.whytes.ie/art/1945-june-the-blue-hussarsquot-at-the-i...
DannyM8
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland From the Irish Press of 25/06/1945 I see the following. 10 a.m. — President-Elect attends Mass in Pro-Cathedral and afterwards drives to Arus an Uachtarain. (Irish Times suggests that he went home to his own home in Anglesea Road Ballsbridge which makes more sense as he is still not President yet? ) 12.37—President-Elect and Mrs. O'Kelly arrive at Dublin Castle. 12.45 — Inauguration ceremony begins. 1 p.m.—Procession leaves Dublin Castle. 1.10 approx.—Passes College Green. 1.15 approx. — Halts at G.P.O. 1.20 approx.—Passes Parnell Square. 1.25 approx. — Passes Berkeley Road. 1.30 approx.—Passes Doyle's Corner, N.C. Rd. 1.45 approx. — Arrival at Arus an Uachtarain. Form what I have read the whole process seemed to be on time, therefore I would be confident in saying our photo was taken between 13.30 and 13.45 on the 25th June 1945. Alternatively it could be (if the Irish Press is correct) the President returning to the Arus after mass? He did arrive at the Mass in a car (see the movie). I think the Horses etc. were only involved after Dublin Castle. Will that do you?
DannyM8
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Garda Siochana. TRAFFIC NOTICE. SUSPENSION OF TRAFFIC IN DUBLIN ON OCCASION OF INAUGURATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF IRELAND. MONDAY, 25th JUNE, 1945. The Commissioner of the Garda Siochana hereby gives notice that, on Monday 25th June, 1945, all vehicular traffic will be suspended in the following streets: From 12.50 p.m. Cork - Hill. Dame Street. College Green, Westmorland Street, O'Connell Streets, Upper and Lower (western sides). From 1.05 p.m. Parnell Square, East, North Frederick Street Blessington Street, Berkeley Street. Berkeley Road. From 1.15 p.m. North Circular Road from Berkeley Road corner to New Cabra Road. From 1.20 p.m. North Circular Road from New Cabra Road to Phoenix Park Gate From 1.25 p.m. Roads in Phoenix Park from the North Circular Road Gate via the Gough Monument and Main Road to the Phoenix Monument. Tram services between Nelson's Pillar and Nassau Street will be suspended from 12.40 p.m. The period of suspension of traffic will be for approximately twenty minutes.
lonewolf77357w
What a great procession!
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79549245@N06 I don't think he would have gone to the Aras before the ceremony, and certainly not in the Landau with Hussars. 13:35 I reckon, if on time!
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[https://www.flickr.com/photos/high_lonesome] You can see more photos of the procession here...
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley 13:35 sounds good. I think we can all agree that https://www.flickr.com/photos/79549245@N06/ definitely deserves The Glory for this one?
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03 Owen, I was just looking at your streetview again and I noticed there is a clock on Hanlons pub, if only our photographer focus was a little higher up on the pub we might have seen the exact time. https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Note: another missing clock!!
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32162360@N00/ I think he liked horses. He presented the Agha Khan trophies at the RDS https://flic.kr/p/2oMm4mo
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] A timeless photo! I had a look at the associated photos in the catalogue; it seems Hanlons did not have a clock there in 1945. Alas! - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000852111
suckindeesel
No vodka, just beer, I’m afraid https://flic.kr/p/2oXv2L4
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Well spotted, I looked again at the streetview and it is a "Guinness Time" clock, perhaps of very recent vintage.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 It is definitely Guinness time in that photo, there is a second non Guinness bottle on the table, I wonder if it is another beer or a soft drink?
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/47290943@N03/ https://flic.kr/p/G769xS I’ll have to ponder that question
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/47290943@N03/ Just a wild guess here, but may be Cantrell & Cochrane’s Dry Ginger Ale, which had a diamond shaped label, as did Schweppes. Anyway, they’re all beer drinkers as nobody has opened any.
oaktree_brian_1976
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland He should really get a sticky bun.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 or Double Diamond, It works wonders you know!
suckindeesel
https://flic.kr/p/9WpYHp Only here for the beer!
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/66151649@N02 As you wish! Hereby bestowing a Virtual Sticky Bun on https://www.flickr.com/photos/79549245@N06/...
Architecture of Dublin
The building behind is Kirwan House which was demolished c 1970 to make way for Park House/Kirwan hotel by the McInerney family. It was subsequently redeveloped as offices. At that time it would have been a Church of Ireland Orphanage however... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirwan_House www.archiseek.com/2015/1818-chapel-female-orphanage-north...
Architecture of Dublin
Illustration of the building at this link... www.kirwanhouse.com/contact
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/186395973@N06 Thank you. Mary