A quiet day in Killenaule?

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Where: Manawatu-Wanganui, Palmerston North City, New Zealand

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Mr. St .John of Crohane, Killenaule in Co. Tipperary commissioned Mr. Poole to produce this image way back in 1908. While I have passed through Killenaule many times I cannot remember such a gathering of horses and carriages but that may just have been a question of timing? On a more serious note I suspect that we will have to dig into the background of Mr. St. John in order to establish the location and other details of this image?

Fógra beag: Tá madra ann!

Sounding the Location Identified Klaxon for this one. Our very first New Zealand photo.

Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford

Date: Circa November 10 1908

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 1860

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 19/Jul/2023 08:14:30

    10 November 1908 was a Tuesday ...

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 19/Jul/2023 08:26:03

    Dog but no clock ...

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    suckindeesel

    • 19/Jul/2023 08:47:14

    I don’t know why, but has an American feel to it. Probably just my fancy.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 19/Jul/2023 08:59:23

    The fancy building has MUNICIPAL OFFICES written on the end. On the shop fronts, I think I see OLSEN, MASSEY BICYCLE and RYAN

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    Niall McAuley

    • 19/Jul/2023 09:10:01

    I only see 1 Saint John in Tipperary in the 1911 census :James Saint John, retired farmer, not living in Crohane. Ah, most are spelled St John.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 19/Jul/2023 09:22:16

    There are actually a parish and a townland called St Johnstown not a million miles from Killenaule.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 19/Jul/2023 09:32:25

    Despite all the Irish business names, I think https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 has a point about an American feel. See the clapboard siding on the shops, behind the Municipal Offices that are a mix of brick and stone, and a white picket fence... Sometimes when Poole photos say "commissioned by..." it doesn't necessarily mean that Poole photographers took the photo, but that they developed the negative for a customer. In defence of this theory, the quality is not pin-sharp as is usual for Poole, even for outdoor shots.

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    suckindeesel

    • 19/Jul/2023 09:34:26

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/30369211@N00/] Massey and Massey Harris was a Canadian bike company c. 1900. This does not look like Ireland, see also catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000592049

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    suckindeesel

    • 19/Jul/2023 09:36:24

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/47297387@N03/ The boy in blue jeans (early Levi’s work wear?) screams USA

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    Niall McAuley

    • 19/Jul/2023 09:46:38

    Image searching shows buildings a bit like this one in Australia and New Zealand, too. Although I agree Olsen suggests the USA. The fancy carriages, a crowd of people dressed up behind them, outside the Municipal Offices in some town - a wedding, perhaps?

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    Carol Maddock

    • 19/Jul/2023 10:26:16

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Or an election? Or a trial maybe, some local cause célèbre?

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    lafoc2

    • 19/Jul/2023 11:30:47

    It's extremely like Palmerston North Library - blog.tepapa.govt.nz/ma_i016025-649x491/

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    Carol Maddock

    • 19/Jul/2023 11:41:48

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/198416540@N06 It really is! Could Public Library and Municipal Offices have been "sign writered" onto the gable, rather than carved letters?

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    lafoc2

    • 19/Jul/2023 11:46:35

    Originally (site of?) the Colonial Bank building, also used by the City Council as offices

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    Foxglove

    • 19/Jul/2023 11:50:35

    amazing, it's a bipedal canine... very rare now

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    Foxglove

    • 19/Jul/2023 11:53:15

    yes the shrubbery, the picket fence and the other building having "fronting" suggests it is not ireland

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 19/Jul/2023 12:04:17

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/198416540@N06] Good call! All Saints Anglican Church (on the right) was enlarged in 1913-14 - manawatuheritage.pncc.govt.nz/item/7b21541d-c235-42d7-a25... Streetview 2022 - goo.gl/maps/1iTbMNzKsRaraN6s6

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 19/Jul/2023 12:20:19

    In 1924, trees pruned! From - natlib.govt.nz/records/23194399?search%5Bi%5D%5Bsubject%5... "This building was constructed as the Colonial Bank in c1892. It was used as a Public Library 1900-1905 and then converted into the administration building of the Palmerston North Borough Council. It was increased in 1925 by the addition of a two storey structure at the rear. In 1945 this original front portion was demolished and replaced by a new administration building, today known as Square Edge, attached to the 1925 addition at the back. ... From - manawatuheritage.pncc.govt.nz/item/cab8aa43-62d3-444e-91f...

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 19/Jul/2023 12:39:36

    Perhaps a wedding (see big hats) at the previous, second Church, after 1905 and before 1908? From - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Saints_Church,_Palmerston_North

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    suckindeesel

    • 19/Jul/2023 12:55:34

    That’s my kind of library, beats a sticky bun anytime Palmerston North Library https://flic.kr/p/aDrbad

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 19/Jul/2023 14:28:14

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 The sweet taste of success associated with our virtual STICKY BUNS trumps Chokolato every time!!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 19/Jul/2023 14:41:50

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/198416540@N06 Fantastic work, well done, I have mapped the photo to Palmerston North, Manawatu-Wanganui.

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    suckindeesel

    • 19/Jul/2023 15:52:08

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/47290943@N03/ That Māori translates as manawatu wanganui ‘wide range’

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    suckindeesel

    • 19/Jul/2023 15:55:24

    Looks like a beautiful place, pity it’s so far away https://flic.kr/p/2o4JHHQ via Geoff McKay

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    suckindeesel

    • 19/Jul/2023 16:07:34

    The building today https://flic.kr/p/2nFegEf via John Abel I think I prefer the original version.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 19/Jul/2023 16:34:32

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 Agreed!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 20/Jul/2023 09:13:16

    I only see one relevant article in Trove, a Vincent-Mellor wedding in 1906 - I don't see a St. John or Irish connection.

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 20/Jul/2023 09:25:29

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Psst!! - paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers

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    Niall McAuley

    • 20/Jul/2023 09:34:58

    There is a nice resource at paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/ - lots of wedding notices for All Saints church in Palmerston North. Still can't find a St. John wedding. [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Snap!

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 21/Jul/2023 07:04:31

    Here is a pre-1911 postcard of the previous, second church. Note the open outwards door as above, but the bent picket fence has been replaced by a wall, and the jungle tamed - [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/53060860024/in/dateposted/] From - tamiro.massey.ac.nz/nodes/view/5350 (1912) Also - www.ebay.com/itm/313887161847 (1911)