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A lovely view of Foynes in County Limerick from the heights above with the whiff of war in the background in the form of a huge battle cruiser. I suspect that we have been nearby on the same date in the past but this view of the area is so much more sylvan and attractive?
My title comes from a song that a returned Yank used to sing at family parties.
Oh where the Shannon river flows,
There I shall repose,
In the land of the shillelaghs
With some shamrock neath my nose...

Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Circa 1865 - 1914

NLI Ref: L_ROY_04271

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    Niall McAuley

    • 28/Jun/2023 08:07:49

    Battleship, not cruiser: Fear naught Dreadnaught Last time we guessed 1905. The ships seen are 2 of the 6 Duncan class battleships,

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 28/Jun/2023 08:16:08

    Trifecta again! Spot the differences ! - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000328124 (Imperial) catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000322342 (Royal, this photo) catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000334064 (Cabinet)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 28/Jun/2023 08:17:44

    I can't get an equivalent streetview so far... Here is a streetview from the road below, with the house.

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    suckindeesel

    • 28/Jun/2023 08:18:48

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/30369211@N00/ The Channel Fleet? We’ve seen them before?

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    O Mac

    • 28/Jun/2023 08:19:54

    Streetview.... maps.app.goo.gl/ZieWZ4Eyjkxwj7hX9 House is Ardanoir House built 1870's on 25" osi. flic.kr/p/2oL6CDg www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/21829...

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    Wendy:

    • 28/Jun/2023 08:20:59

    Super image!

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 28/Jun/2023 08:29:30

    Correction - the Imperial and Cabinet plates were taken years (?) earlier. See the details of that large house's garden, no greenhouse, etc.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 28/Jun/2023 08:30:10

    The house is named Ardanoir on the 25". Ardanoir (Golden Height), a detached two-storey house, built c1870. Home of Charlotte Grace O’Brien, a famous Limerick poet and humanitarian, it also provided accommodation for dignitaries and VIP’s who stopped over in Foynes en-route to Europe and America by seaplane in the 1930s & 1940s

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    O Mac

    • 28/Jun/2023 08:46:43

    Another with the SS Mermaid steaming out of Foynes catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000328124

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 28/Jun/2023 08:48:37

    Charlotte Grace O'Brien's (1845 - 1909) fascinating story - www.elisarolle.com/queerplaces/ch-d-e/Charlotte%20Grace%2... Ed. wiki - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Grace_O%27Brien

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    michael-otto-foto

    • 28/Jun/2023 09:09:19

    SPECIAL AWARD ★★★★★ 5 stars for your photo... Seen in:..Flickr Hall of Fame Flickr Hall of Fame (Post 1 – Award 1)

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    John Spooner

    • 28/Jun/2023 09:24:12

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia The 'notable piece' (4th para) she wrote for the Pall Mall Gazette was actually Horrors of an Emigrant Ship (not 'Immigrant'). No wonder I couldn't find it at first.

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 28/Jun/2023 09:44:06

    From - www.dib.ie/biography/obrien-charlotte-grace-a6455 And a letter written by her digitized at the NLI - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000796384

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    O Mac

    • 28/Jun/2023 10:15:35

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/32162360@N00/] If Charlotte is a daughter of William Smith O'Brien you must be related to her too?? ... as your comments from 10 years ago would suggest. Cousins? flic.kr/p/eQH8XU

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    Niall McAuley

    • 28/Jun/2023 10:35:33

    Nearby: Sawmill, Foynes, Co.Limerick, circa 1890

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 28/Jun/2023 10:39:54

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03 Yes, a cousin four or five times removed! Hence my interest in her and this delightful house. Hoping to spot her pottering in her beloved garden. Those fiddly formal flower beds in the older photos ...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 28/Jun/2023 10:42:48

    L_ROY_04267, also nearby, shows the paddle steamer Mermaid. Hard to link Facebook page suggests she was on the estuary from 1877 to 1903.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 28/Jun/2023 10:46:10

    OK, not grouped by date: L_ROY_04266 has years more creeper growth than 4268 above.

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 28/Jun/2023 11:19:39

    Nearby L_ROY_04269 - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000322340 - shows the hill and cross where Mr French had his trusty tripod. The NIAH has the Spring Rice Monument cross as "c. 1900" which is, as usual, too vague. Anyone have a better idea? www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/21829...

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    John Spooner

    • 28/Jun/2023 11:57:26

    For [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] and anyone else who's interested, her article Horrors of an Emigrant Ship can be read in three (short) instalments Part 1 Part 2 and Part 3

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    Niall McAuley

    • 28/Jun/2023 14:40:40

    Charlotte Grace O'Brien in the 1901 census, she is 55. Record of her death in 1909 aged 63, occupation "Authoress etc" I think this is the household in 1911, Neilí Ní Bhriain, given as Ellen O'Brien on form B1. Mention of probate granted to Ellen L. O'Brien, spinster, in August in the Calendar of Wills, effects £3,808 9s 4d. About 100 times that value now, £372,626 sterling, or €431,000 in todays money.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 28/Jun/2023 14:45:29

    Ellen Lucy was Charlotte's niece, eldest daughter of her eldest sibling Edward William O'Brien, who also died in 1909.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 28/Jun/2023 14:52:32

    Ellen Lucy was living alone on Mount Street in Dublin in 1901, occupation Artist, Painting At the above linked Dictionary of Irish Biography we learn: As a child she spent two years (1866–8) living in the French Riviera with her sick mother until the latter's death from tuberculosis, whereupon she and her siblings were raised by her aunt Charlotte O'Brien (qv), a nationalist and writer. But not in this house. At Charlottes DIB entry: She then returned to Cahirmoyle, then her brother Edward’s home, and from the death of his wife in 1868 until 1878 cared for his children. She then moved into a little house near Mount Trenchard on the Shannon. Ardanoir is the "little house".

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    suckindeesel

    • 28/Jun/2023 15:21:56

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/32162360@N00/ Extraordinary woman!

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    suckindeesel

    • 28/Jun/2023 20:25:30

    https://flic.kr/p/dWycat HMS Duncan of the Duncan class battleship

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    suckindeesel

    • 28/Jun/2023 20:28:38

    I wonder if the shot was taken from the vantage point of the Spring Rice Monument? None of the local roads offer the same viewpoint.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 28/Jun/2023 20:49:40

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 I thought that that vantage point was obvious one and so I gave it as the location on the map!

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    suckindeesel

    • 28/Jun/2023 20:56:35

    National Library of Ireland on The Commons Top O’ the Morning to you too youtu.be/ziIh7sBeP6o

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 29/Jun/2023 07:17:43

    We know that Mr French went up to the Spring Rice Memorial Cross at least twice, because of the Imperial and Cabinet plate versions listed above, which show extensive formal flower beds. Here, via ebay, is the Imperial plate - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000328124 - colourised as a postcard, and posted in October 1905, ie the earlier visit was before 1905 - via - www.ebay.com/itm/134573006188?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mk...

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    soilse

    • 29/Jun/2023 07:21:43

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/47290943@N03/ A lovely image. That’s a substantial house and garden, although it was described as ‘a small house’! How did the family make their money?

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    soilse

    • 29/Jun/2023 07:24:04

    It must have rankled with an Irish nationalist to see British battleships anchored on the river when she opened her curtains in the morning.

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 29/Jun/2023 07:37:09

    Likewise Mr French took two views of Foynes from up at the cross - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000041864 (earlier, no De Vere monument) catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000328127 (later with De Vere monument) De Vere - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_de_Vere - died in November 1904, and his memorial would have taken 'a while' to happen. Visited before - [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/5260848344/] All of which is a long-winded way of saying today's photo is after 1904. If we knew the exact dates of both memorials ...

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 29/Jun/2023 08:00:33

    [Aside] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_de_Vere - Sir Stephen Edward De Vere (1812 - 1904) was also an interesting character. Amongst other achievements, he campaigned for the welfare of emigrants/immigrants in the 1840s, several decades before Charlotte Grace O'Brien. They were near neighbours, and I imagine best friends for all their many similarities. Mr French photographed his similar house on Foynes Island - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000251298 - which was also colourised and sent as a postcard in October 1903 (ie original photo was the earlier visit, before 1903). via ebay - www.ebay.com/itm/134575730404?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mk...

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    i nikon

    • 30/Jun/2023 04:15:10

    Very nice. Congratulations on Explore.

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    • 30/Jun/2023 04:15:34

    Congrats on Explore! ⭐ June 29, 2023

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    @ttomab

    • 30/Jun/2023 04:22:28

    Nice Capture! Congratulations On Explore!

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    s0340248

    • 30/Jun/2023 04:45:57

    Glückwunsch zu Explore !

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    • 30/Jun/2023 06:03:35

    Congrats on Explore!⭐

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    • 30/Jun/2023 06:17:16

    👍✨Congratulations on Explore ✨💚🍃

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    • 30/Jun/2023 06:24:44

    Congrats on Xplore!!

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    jacklowry47

    • 30/Jun/2023 10:42:47

    Wonderful landscape, congrats on Explore.

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    • 30/Jun/2023 18:28:41

    Congrats on explore!!👍

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    • 30/Jun/2023 18:55:27

    Congrats on Explore ! Really deserved. regards Rens.

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    naser.sarijlou

    • 30/Jun/2023 18:57:52

    beautiful shot! 👏