O Mac

• 15/Feb/2023 08:19:39

The photograph was taken sometime before 1882 .....when the line between Dalkey and Ballybrack was doubled

ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

• 15/Feb/2023 08:26:08

That condensed script titling again ...

ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

• 15/Feb/2023 09:02:24

[aside] I see from these two Stereo Pairs (before 1882) that the alignment of the single railway track changed at Bray Head - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000563549 - tunnel and white metal viaduct catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000565650 - new tunnel beside the old one. Viaduct gone. Resident trainspotters will know why and when ...

Quite Adept

• 15/Feb/2023 09:30:47

They can be just seen hiding in the trees on Strand Road, Dalkey. From the street view they can hardly be seen. Dropped pin maps.google.com?q=53.2512807,-6.1132127&hl=en-GB&...

ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

• 15/Feb/2023 09:38:41

[https://www.flickr.com/photos/quiteadept] Yes. I think the photographer was in Seafield Road. Streetview - goo.gl/maps/VTetMmocUj2vzgfr9

Niall McAuley

• 15/Feb/2023 09:48:01

NIAH lets us down today, no buildingsoforeland coverage.

O Mac

• 15/Feb/2023 09:54:43

Image of OSI map. flic.kr/p/2oh6jmy

ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

• 15/Feb/2023 09:56:51

Mr French / Lawrence took a reverse-ish view of the two/four houses. Possibly a lot later due to more buildings around - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000043528

Niall McAuley

• 15/Feb/2023 09:58:41

This 2021 For Sale article suggests the castellated houses are from 1878, but they have a few years worth of creeper on them. The double-to-single track points seen here on top of the subway between the castellated houses does not match the 1900ish 25 inch, which has it just south of Killine/Ballybrack station, 300m North of where we see it here.

suckindeesel

• 15/Feb/2023 10:02:43

It’s Seafield Rd. all right. I can see Martello tower no. 6 South, known locally as Enoch’s Tower.

Niall McAuley

• 15/Feb/2023 10:32:44

L_ROY_3983 is a wider view from up on the hill, the castelated houses are here but the track matches the 1900ish 25". I think we are later today. Similar but clearer in L_IMP_1310

Niall McAuley

• 15/Feb/2023 10:42:29

Maybe L_CAB_03972 matches today's shot? Likewise L_IMP_1180

Niall McAuley

• 15/Feb/2023 10:44:38

This one is earlier still, before Killiney station of 1882:

suckindeesel

• 15/Feb/2023 11:19:04

[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] That building at the end of the road could well be the old Ballybrack Station. maps.app.goo.gl/Vr78zQFDuZ4WS3Qz8?g_st=ic

John Spooner

• 15/Feb/2023 12:37:52

I searched using the house names on https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] 's OSI map, and found a report of a dramatic rescue which took place when the iron barque Lough Fergus "ran ashore off Shanganagh River, near Ballybrack old railway station". Her cargo included 20 tons of dynamite and a quantity of whiskey. There was a crew of 17, 2 stowaways and 1 passenger. At daybreak a boat was launched from the barque with 3 officers The boat struck the shore then capsized, the 3 were thrown into the sea, and 2 were rescued by bystanders from the beach who plunged into the waves. Then:

The second officer, who appeared to be disabled, was lying on his face in the surf and Councillor J 0 Masterson, of Super-Mare, Killiney, who had just arrived on the foreshore immediately divested himself of his top coat and plunged into the surf. He succeeded in catching hold of the officer and brought him ashore, the last effort being nearly fatal for both. Fortunately as Councillor Masterson was becoming exhausted he was sufficiently close in to have an oar passed to him by the aid of which he and his charge were pulled ashore. Too much credit could not be given to the men who. at the risk of their own lives, saved the sailors, and it is only fair to say that Councillor Masterson took the poor fellows to his residence, and provided them with every comfort which their pitiable and exhausted condition demanded. They remained with their rescuer and host until after one o'clock when they left for Kingstown in charge of an officer of the Coast Guards.

John Spooner

• 15/Feb/2023 12:51:09

Mr Masterson was later presented with a vote of thanks from the RNLI on vellum, signed by its president, the Prince of Wales. (Freeman's Journal - Tuesday 05 September 1899). The other rescuers were also recognised.

O Mac

• 15/Feb/2023 13:10:23

[http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] Someone lost the head in this strange version of that Loch Fergus shipwreck...from the Duchas school's collection. "One very stormy night, when a gale was threatening an old ship came sailing along the water. It was coming to Coliemore Harbour which was then the main port of Dublin. The name of the boat was Loch Fergus. On it was a cargo of bricks or cement. As it passed Shanganagh the gale arose. One wise man said, "Why not blow up we might escape."So they blew up the boat but in blowing up the boat he blew of(f) his own son's head. So the ship was wrecked off Shanganagh River, this was about eighty years." www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/4428225/4387138/4457413

John Spooner

• 15/Feb/2023 13:49:29

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] All the accounts mention the dynamite in the cargo, and this was a source of concern in the following days. Especially in the presence of boys. But no news of decapitations. Not yet.

The coastguards, constabulary, and police are stationed at short intervals along the shore from Bray to Dalkey, keeping a lockout on those who are.prone to pick up unconsidered trifles wasted ashore. It is stated that the danger of an explosion is not altogether remote, especially should any of the dynamite or nitro-glycerine find its way out of the magazine and be picked up by the swarm of boys roving along the beach. Several experts in the handling of dynamlte and explosives arrived from Nobels to trans-ship the dynamite as opportunity offers. To-day the sea was tolerably calm, but being Sunday no work was done.

suckindeesel

• 15/Feb/2023 14:01:24

[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] BOT report on collapse of viaduct www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/BoT_BrayHead1867.pdf [https://flic.kr/p/2oh7GUH] Brandy Hole Viaduct, 1867 Which dates catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000563549 as pre 1867! Unused tunnel is still there.

suckindeesel

• 15/Feb/2023 14:13:33

[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] That could be the current 1882 Killiney Station in those two shots catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000336701

John Spooner

• 15/Feb/2023 17:04:05

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Executive summary in Dublin Daily Express - Thursday 28 November 1867 :

The report of Colonel Tolland, who was appointed by the Board of Trade to inquire into the causes of the accident which occurred at Bray Head, on Dublin and Wicklow Railway, in Augnst last, has been issued. It attributes the accident to the defective condition of the permanent way. The principal passages of the report appear in another column.

suckindeesel

• 15/Feb/2023 17:20:16

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Yes, that line was beset by many problems. It had to be diverted inland, just south of Ballybrack station, in 1915 due to coastal erosion. However, the old alignment is now a very pleasant coastal walk. https://flic.kr/p/2oh9N1U The later 6” shows the new route.

John Spooner

• 15/Feb/2023 20:33:15

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Between the incident an the report there was much speculation in the press, and in August at the half-yearly meeting of the Dublin, Wicklow and Wexford railway, the chairman Lawrence Waldron said: "There is no question that when the line was first executed, the proper course to have taken would have been to go inland from Shankill by the Glen of the Downs, but it suited the genius of Mr. Brunel, or whoever was the engineer, to show his great skill in overcoming impracticabilities, to send it round Bray Head." (Wexford People - Saturday 24 August 1867) In other words, Brunel was showing off.

suckindeesel

• 15/Feb/2023 20:50:54

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ No, there was more to it than that. I think it was a commercial decision by the D&W Railway as it was the cheapest option for a route around Bray Head. Of course, an inland route was a no brainier but the local lord somebody or other, the landowner, offered the outside route for free. He would have charged for the inland option. Brunel made the best of a bad job, but it became known as Brunel’s folly. The whole line from Dublin contains many such shortcomings. We live with the consequences to this day.

John Spooner

• 15/Feb/2023 21:19:25

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Ah, thanks. I know of a couple of examples where a landowner influenced the path of a railway. I recall reading that Lord Burghley refused to let the railway run near his House near Stamford, and as a result Peterborough thrived economically at Stamford's expense. But if you compare Stamford and Peterborough now, perhaps he had a point.

suckindeesel

• 15/Feb/2023 21:26:01

[https://www.flickr.com/photos/2980[email protected]/] The Shillelagh branch line was a notable exception. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shillelagh_branch_line

Dún Laoghaire Micheál

• 21/Feb/2023 15:49:38

I believe these houses were built by Sir John Gray during the development of the Vartry Waterworks. The style is similar to buildings in Roundwood. Hence the name "Vartry Lodge". His son Edmund Dwyer-Gray lived there . . . Per DIB: "Gray, Edmund William Dwyer (1845–88), newspaper proprietor and politician, was born 29 December 1845 in Dublin, second son of Sir John Gray (qv) and Mary Anna Gray (née Dwyer; c.1821–87). Edmund ... married in 1869, having met his wife in extraordinary circumstances: in September 1868, a schooner was wrecked during a storm in Killiney Bay and Gray swam out with a rope to the doomed craft, saving five lives (for which he received the Tayleur Fund gold medal and the Royal National Lifeboat Institution's silver medal); his future wife, by chance, witnessed this exploit and was afterwards introduced to the hero.