Kenmare House, Killarney

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Where: Kerry, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1880

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Photograph taken between 1880 and 1914

Format: glass negative

Part of: National Library of Ireland Lawrence Collection.

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NLI Ref: L_CAB_01020

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/May/2013 13:52:25

    This is a strange one! This really looks to be the original Kenmare House in Killarney, which was demolished in 1872! This house was on the site of the modern Killarney House, and that looks very like St. Mary's in town behind it. The house which replaced it (and burned down in 1913) was very different, and nowhere near St. Mary's. Could this be as early as 1872?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 04/May/2013 22:13:49

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] I was completely befuddled by the history of the various Kenmore / Killarney Houses and two St Mary's churches-with-spires. This photo must be before 1872, unless that demolition date is wrong. It seems odd to demolish a house which looks to be in good condition. Queen Victoria and Prince Alfred stayed here in 1861, and she chose the site of the new Killarney House. The chimneys were made of marble (rose-coloured and grey and black) ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenmare_House

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    Niall McAuley

    • 11/Apr/2016 10:51:14

    Saint Mary's in the background was only built in 1870, giving a very short window for this image!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 11/Apr/2016 13:35:35

    Thanks [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley]. In honesty I have confused myself trying to understand the location and history of "Killarney House" and "Kenmare House", but I wonder if this is actually the former. IE: The former (seemingly also known as "Knockreer House") is located between Mission Rd and Ross Rd in Killarney proper and would have been close enough to St Mary's for the spire view. If it is that building, then this image could have been taken before the first fire in 1879, or perhaps between that and the second fire in 1913. (I think I've confused myself with the various "houses beginning with K", but I think it's feasible that this image dates from the middle of the catalogue range...)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 11/Apr/2016 16:11:43

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] First there was Kenmare House, this one, link to the 1830s 6", built in 1726. This was replaced by Killarney House (here on the 25") in 1872, at which time this one was demolished, except for the stable block. Then Killarney house burnt down twice. After the second time, in 1913, the Earl had the stable block converted into a house, which he named Kenmare House (1930s 6"). At this time, Killarney House was a ruin. Then in 1956 Mrs. Grosvenor built Knockreer house where Killarney House used to stand, and sold Kenmare house to an American, who renamed it Killarney House. Simples!

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 11/Apr/2016 21:39:59

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Ha ha! Glad I am not alone in confusion - 3 years of sleepless nights! I found Niall's OSI link very helpful when centred on 'Kenmare House' (comment above). If you then toggle through the various street maps, satellite pics, 6", and 25", it shows that the house in this photo was much closer to St Marys - almost where the big hotel is now, and Mission Road did not exist.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 11/Apr/2016 22:13:04

    Thanks [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley]. Which house do we think therefore is mentioned in this Wikipedia article which implies that "Killarney House" (the precursor to 1950s Knockreer House) was around between 1872 and 1913? (Suffering one fire in 1879 and another "fatal" one in 1913?) If so, do we think what's pictured here is that house? Perhaps sometime between the 1st fire (in 1879) and the 2nd in 1913? (Sorry - I'm still stuck between whether our image is Killarney House (52°03'24.0"N 9°30'31.0"W) or Kenmare House (52°03'33.5"N 9°31'26.9"W). If it's the former, the catalogue range may be correct. If it's the latter, it is probably not....)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 12/Apr/2016 08:27:18

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] That wikipedia article is Killarney House which burnt down twice. This pic is Kenmare house, demolished in 1872. Here is a pic of Killarney House in the archive, it looks nothing like this house and is nowhere near St. Mary's for the steeple in the background. Here is a square-on pic of the front of this one, Kenmare house, and a wider shot of the back, with steeple, from the gardens.