Trains and boats but no planes in Waterside
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Where: N Ireland, Derry City and Strabane, UK
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The Waterside in Derry, a city divided by a river and a significant history along with a whole lot more to boot. Here we have a view of the port with some of the city in the background. While I could work my way around Derry city centre I could not tell if the Waterside is the other side of the river or on the nearside?
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Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa 1865 - 1914
NLI Ref: L_IMP_0414
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Have a listen if you have the time@
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olj56pYtCVQ
Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa 1865 - 1914
NLI Ref: L_IMP_0414
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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Google Maps Satellite View 3D - www.google.com/maps/@54.9913766,-7.321141,37a,35y,69.29h,... Mr French / Lawrence was up something very tall which is not there anymore. I wonder what it was?
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Looks like it was the tower just glimpsed on the right in the neighbouring photo - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000330662
Deirge (Del)
High probability camera location (54.99184, -7.32115) an upper floor of the Abercorn Factory with camera pointing close to due east. The foreground bridge is Bridge Street. Wikipedia says the Waterside was on the east bank of the Foyle so that makes it the far bank from the photo. I had planned to get the bus from Sligo to Derry for train to Belfast for a steam excursion to Whitehead but the RPSI knew I was coming and cancelled it. In the event I had to get back to UK due to a couple of urgent events (in the end not serious) and booked and flew out of knock within 3 hours, forgetting to check in while photoing Kennedy's at doocastle instead! Luckily staff at Knock great & got me on!😄 On reflection this analysis may be total rubbish.😭
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The brideg seems to be the twin-deck Carlisle Bridge (opened 1863; replaced by the current Craigavon Bridge in 1936) - northernscrivener.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-carlisle-bridg...
robinparkes
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] So the photograph has been taken from the city side as it says 'Waterside from Derry'. That means the railway that can be seen is the Great Northern.
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A couple of Stereo Pairs from across the river show the warehouse and later five-storey addition on which Mr French perched his trusty tripod. Also seen is the bridge toll gate which the blog above says stopped in 1878. catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000564263 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000566003 (with new addition close to bridge)
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And another Imperial plate showing his perch - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000327966 💡It was the Tillie & Henderson Shirt Factory - www.derrysmarttour.com/locationdetails/TillieHendersonFac... EDIT: More details of the building's history here - www.dib.ie/biography/tillie-william-a9754
Niall McAuley
Does the nearest sailing ship have FINDLATER written on it?
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley My eyes are not good enough to comment, anyway, I usually FIND it LATER than the rest of you here!
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley ?? FAIRHAVEN ??
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How did the railway get round the corner and on to the lower deck of the bridge? - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000336383
Niall McAuley
The PRONI historical map viewer does not have a map with this version of the bridge and the rail connections.
Niall McAuley
L_IMP_0416 nearby in the catalog is the 1869 Albert Memorial in Belfast without trams. Definitely before 1905 electrification, I don't know when the horse trams appeared here, Wiki just says 1872 for all horse trams.
Niall McAuley
L_IMP_0413 is a reverse view, and includes the 1879 Carlisle Road Presbyterian church.
John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Could be. Derry Journal - Monday 30 April 1877:
The Fairhaven was regularly in the shipping news in the Derry Journal and the Londonderry Sentinal, bringing coal from Maryport.suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] The OSNI 5th edition is the only one that works and shows railways. The Craigavon Bridge was a rare double decker whose lower level connected the rail stations, of which there were four, each side of the river. However, the map shows no detail of how this was achieved. The station in our shot is the 1870 GNRI Foyle Rd. Terminus of the Derry/Strabane line. www.archiseek.com/2014/1870-foyle-road-railway-station-de...
Niall McAuley
In that 0413 reverse imp, you can see Dacre Terrace beside the church is under construction. If we had an NIAH equivalent, that would give us a good date. At least one house there is dated 1902 by the DIA.
Niall McAuley
L_ROY_02564 is a reverso like 413, suggesting that the 1902 house is the leftmost of the four, and it and the earlier 413 are earlier than 1902.
Deirge (Del)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I've got a hardcopy Casserley (1974) P.246 in front of me. Craigavon double deck bridge had mixed gauge tracks on the lower decks operated by capston by restricted to 4 wheel wagons (implies tights curves?) The NCC is on the east bank with Victoria Road station to the south east going to Strabane and the Waterside station to the North-east and going to Belfast. On the west (City) bank the GNRI went from Foyle Road which was just to the north of the Craigavon Bridge (and I now agree seems to be whats in the picture here) with the Londonderry Port & Harbour Commissions tramway by-passing it up towards the terminus of the Londonderry and Lough Swilly at Graving Dock.
suckindeesel
Deirge O'Dhaoinebeaga The original bridge was called the Carlisle Bridge, replaced in the 1930s by the present Craigavon Bridge, another double decker. This bridge carried goods wagons only. The tight curves would have been at each end of the bridge where the lines would have been at a right angle. www.archiseek.com/2013/1863-carlisle-bridge-derry/ [https://flic.kr/p/2oaFiLJ] Railway Clearing House Junction Diagram I thought this map might have shed some light re the rail connection across the Foyle, but I’m none the wiser. [https://flic.kr/p/2oaByPF] The Viceregal Commission map of 1906 shows a slightly different bridge connection, however the OSNI historic map agrees with the junction diagram. I believe that the port railway was different to the tramway, and connected the four terminals together. The tramway also connected the terminals on the west side together, for passenger traffic. [https://flic.kr/p/2oaGDac] “The port had its own railway yard, under the control of the Derry Port & Harbour Commissioner (LPHC). This railway had connections to the other railways in Derry; The Great Northern and the Northern Counties Committee, both of which were 5ft3 gauge, and thanks to a length of dual gauge, the County Donegal Railways Joint Committee and Londonderry & Lough Swilly Railway, which were 3 ft. Wagons could be shunted across the Foyle by way of the lower deck of the Craigavon Bridge, which was dual gauge. Two of the LPHC locomotives survived into preservation- No. 1, which is at the Ulster Folk & Transport Museum in Cultra, and No. 3, which is owned by the Railway Preservation Society of Ireland at Whitehead.”
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Nice Capture! Congratulations On Explore!
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Congrats on Explore! ⭐ January 9, 2023
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Glückwunsch zu Explore !
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Absolut gelungen!
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Congrats on Xplore!!
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Nice one, congrats!
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[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Your excellent reverse and neighbouring view - L_IMP_0413 - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000330660 - shows the 1879 Carlisle Street Presbyterian Church, BUT NOT the hall next door, added "about ten years later" and in use in 1888 according to this history - davidsburke.jjbspace.net/crc/historyx.htm Which implies all three consecutive Imperial photos are on the same day in 1879-1888. There might even be a matching Stereo Pair or three.
Niall McAuley
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Good find on the hall date! STP_2686 is earlier, no Carlisle street church, similar to STP_2688, STP_0946 STP_2687 even earlier, missing another building on Carlisle St. Likewise STP_2684, STP_2685 and STP_0947, where I can see the toll gate is shut, so pre 1878.
Eric G!
Lovely work! Congrats on Explore! Greetinf from Eric from France.
Rod Vepea
Você fez um ótimo trabalho!
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley I am amazed to see how many stereo pairs there were of the Carlisle bridge; it must have been quite something in its day.
rixpix6
Congratulations on Explore. Nice photo.
SPW45
Londonderry (Foyle Road) Station. Date of photograph: no earlier than 1876, because wagons are marked as GNRI. GNRI was formed in April 1876. No later than 1887, when GNRI carried out extensive improvements to the station. This included replacing the 2 side platforms with 1 central platform. All tracks are broad gauge (1600mm), before narrow gauge railways arrived.
SPW45
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Addendum: Probably no later than sometime in 1877, when the B&NCR (Belfast & Northern Counties Railway) built their goods depot just to the north of Foyle Road station.