When people had the courage to stand up and be counted

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Where: Munster, Clare, Ireland

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Today is the day after the death of the former Ulster Unionist leader, David Trimble RIP. This image is a reminder that the troubles go back a long way and that when people take a decision to change and make a stand that the risks are great and the might of the state can be brought to bear against you. This image was not digitised when we were running the Evictions series but is a good reminder of those terrible days and all the trauma that ordinary people went through. Like David Trimble, John Flanagan and his family were people of courage who stood up and took risks for what they believed in!

Photographer: Thomas O'Connor, Limerick

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Circa 1865 - 1914

NLI Ref: L_ROY_01762

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    suckindeesel

    • 26/Jul/2022 08:07:53

    Tullycreen Upper, Kilmurry Clonderlaw Parish 1888 The massed power of the state, as represented by RIC and Royal Berks. He was a brave man indeed

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 26/Jul/2022 08:15:41

    Nearby in the catalogue and previously discussed on Flickr, with many of the same characters - https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/5691333973/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/5648030772/in/photostream/

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 26/Jul/2022 09:26:42

    ??Streetview?? Going by semi-hipped roof, position of differing chimneys and front door, and the building to the right - goo.gl/maps/9f1rt4GZdN7UFxRu7 [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/52241285422/in/dateposted/]

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 26/Jul/2022 09:44:20

    Above house is at Knockaderreen, (52.676443, -9.367078) according to Google Maps

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    Cecilia Temperli

    • 26/Jul/2022 10:04:51

    Wow! Men with rifles and attached bayonets ... Looks like they were going to fight a war ...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Jul/2022 11:08:33

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Flipping from the 25" to the modern aerial view, those two buildings are in both, so very possible.

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    O Mac

    • 26/Jul/2022 11:13:03

    I think this was Flanagans

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Jul/2022 11:14:53

    No John Flanagan in Knockaderreen townland in Tullycreen in 1901.

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    suckindeesel

    • 26/Jul/2022 12:03:04

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Probably on a coffin ship by then

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    suckindeesel

    • 26/Jul/2022 12:05:21

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ The Royal Berkshire Regiment in all their glory. They didn’t mess around when quelling native unrest

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    suckindeesel

    • 26/Jul/2022 12:27:40

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Looks a good match, in an adjacent townland to where I thought.

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 26/Jul/2022 12:46:46

    Via Trove, a vivid account of the day's evictions, originally from the Dublin 'Freeman' which says it was 30 July 1888 - ... The march was then continued to the holding of John Flanagan at some little distance. The house is a good one, beautifully situated in a field on which stood in stacks a good crop of hay. There was absolutely no defence or suggestion of barricading made here. The doors and windows had been completely removed, and the house cleared of every vestige of furniture. This had been quite recently done. Possession was demanded by the sheriff, and he entered, a group of girls around the door indulging in some chaff at the expence of the officers. The tenant sat close by on a wall, but said nothing. The house of Mary O'Dea was the next that was visited. ... See - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/169707904?searchTerm=v...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Jul/2022 14:51:07

    Birth Record for an Ellen Flanagan, father John Flanagan, mother Bridget Flanagan née O'Dea, Lisnadeen Co. Clare, 27 Oct 1880 Bridget, Feb 1882. Susan, April 1883. Mary, Sept 1884. John, May 1886. That John Flanagan married Bridget O'Dea in May 1880. One reason I suspect it may be the same one is that I don't see 10 more little Flanagans in Lisnadeen after the 1888 eviction.

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    Cecilia Temperli

    • 26/Jul/2022 22:15:58

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Aha. Thank you!

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    Dr. Ilia

    • 28/Jul/2022 08:00:09

    wonderful

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    Clare4XRemvd

    • 01/Aug/2022 15:40:23

    The Limerick photographer's name is Timothy O'Connor. My research has prompted me to posit that Lawrence purchased Vandeleur eviction photographs from O'Connor. How many I can't say. But I would like to attach another photograph of the Flanagan family, also archived with the NLI, to this stream. How can I do so? Also, the color photograph is indeed the Flanagan home of the eviction period. A descendant stated so to me some years ago.

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    Clare4XRemvd

    • 01/Aug/2022 23:36:25

    The Flanagans did not expect to see the eviction force heading their way, so they had not prepared to resist. They did place their greater part of their furniture outside to prevent damage. The argument with the sheriff at the front door, carried on by a gutsy daughter, was that their name was improperly registered with a court that did not have jurisdiction over them. You get a sense of indecision in this image. Colonel Turner, with his back to the camera in the center, is possibly discussing legalities with the landlord's solicitor. Discretion, sometimes being the better part of valor, the Flanagan family did quit their home. There is a follow-on photo to this photo of the Flanagan family with Fr. Gilligan standing in front of a nicely formed haycock. The determined daughter who stood up to Captain Croker and the RIC is sitting with her arms folded. There are others who wished to be in the photo and O'Connor obliged them. The follow on photograph was taken by Timothy O'Connor. It is archived with the NLI, but it not part of the Lawrence Collection.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Aug/2022 08:10:48

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Hi Ed - I can link a digitized shot from the archive by pasting in the URL like so: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000325155

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 02/Aug/2022 08:41:13

    Is this the image? From - www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/history/photographing_e... Noticing that Flanagan is also spelled Flanigan and Flannigan etc

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    Clare4XRemvd

    • 22/Aug/2022 04:57:12

    That’s it. For a good first hand report of this read the London Daily News, July 31, 1888. A news correspondent got it all down. Even mentioned that Fr Lawrence Gilligan had just been released from a 30-day jail sentence for giving a pep talk for the Plan of Campaign from a boat just off the Labasheeda pier. This correspondent, or another, described the gutsy daughter as an ‘enthusiastic Campaigner’. This photo is found in the William O’Brien collection, NLI. It is a Timothy O’Connor photograph.

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    Clare4XRemvd

    • 22/Aug/2022 05:07:01

    I just submitted a photo essay for the 2023 issue of The Other Clare on the Cleary family’s eviction, #3, Day 1, July 18, 1888. I will present seven photos, none of which are in the Lawrence Collection, and four of which were definitely taken by Timothy O’Connor. Of the 50-some photos I think were taken, nearly 40 have been found. I’m hoping greater awareness will help uncover those remaining to be uncovered.

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    Clare4XRemvd

    • 03/Oct/2022 14:51:13

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Do we know that the infantry are Royal Berks? Could they be Sherwood Foresters instead? I can’t make out the regimental emblems on their collars.