“Smoke Richmond Gem Cigarettes”

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Where: Munster, Cork, Ireland

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When: 01 September 1903

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Since we were in the neighbourhood yesterday, we thought we might as well ramble on to Kinsale, Co. Cork today.

We're not encouraging you to take up bad habits with that title above, but we do enjoy a nice poster. And that cigarette one outside the oifig an phoist is a goodie (technical term). Will it, or some of the other posters, help to date this photograph?

Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Circa 1865 - 1914 September 1903 (thanks ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq and Niall McAuley

NLI Ref: L_CAB_05236

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 21/Jul/2022 07:52:19

    ""You must have a cigarette. A cigarette is the perfect type of a perfect pleasure. It is exquisite, and it leaves one unsatisfied. What more can one want?" Oscar Wilde, from 'The Picture of Dorian Gray' (1891) Via [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bradford_timeline/] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bradford_timeline/18307165931/] Edit - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_%26_Ginter

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 21/Jul/2022 08:40:11

    Are we in Main Street? Going by the large house(s) far left, and the shadows - goo.gl/maps/dwW8Aaoyi1MRMELh7

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 21/Jul/2022 08:57:53

    Mr Armstrong the Printer - nominative determinism?!

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    Architecture of Dublin

    • 21/Jul/2022 09:13:54

    love that shop window

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 21/Jul/2022 09:26:33

    Not far away in Kinsale and in the NLI catalogue, L_CAB_05238 was narrowed down to 1902/3 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/38239218022/

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 21/Jul/2022 09:30:14

    In between the two, L_CAB_05237 of the Courthouse has some clear posters with dates - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000334955 Edit - The 'Fire Brigade Competitions' poster has 'Saturday Sept 12", which happened in 1903. Voting for 1903.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 21/Jul/2022 10:42:12

    John Armstrong, Printer & Postmaster in the 1901 Census. I don’t see him in 1911. www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Kinsale_Ur...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jul/2022 10:45:30

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia On the courthouse one, I see Sat & Mon September 12th and 14th, which matches 1903. Greater Cork International Exhibition Fire Brigade Competitions. Houses and Factories on Fire!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jul/2022 10:56:54

    By 1911, William Wilson is Postmaster.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jul/2022 10:59:42

    1903 Guy's says the postmaster is one Thomas Morgan.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jul/2022 11:04:19

    The 25" marks the post office on Long Quay, where it is today in

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jul/2022 11:08:28

    Of the current Post Office, the NIAH says: Formerly a mid-terrace townhouse (pre 1897), this building was given a new lease of life as a post office, possibly at the turn of the century as suggested by the Art Nouveau lettering to its front. So I think the title on this shot is wrong, and this was not the post office at the time, just Armstrong's Printing and Stationary business.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jul/2022 11:11:19

    That 1903 Guys under residents gives Armstrong, John on Main Street (as in this photo, not the 1901 census). Also on Main Street under Printer. Also under Stationer.

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 21/Jul/2022 11:13:10

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley But the new/old post office (where it is now) is in the other photo, with no hint of a post box! Also there on the 25" map.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jul/2022 11:16:22

    1897 Guy's gives J Armstrong as Postmaster, address Long Quay as in the 1901 census. His Printer and Stationer businesses are given on Main Street.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 21/Jul/2022 11:16:47

    Thanks to The Power of Posters™ (and ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq and Niall McAuley), that long date of 1865-1914 is squished down to around September 1903.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 21/Jul/2022 11:22:55

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley There is a post box in the wall among all the posters though. Could that have given rise to a mistaken title?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jul/2022 11:25:38

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] I think that probably 1902-03 shot of Long Quay does show the Post Office, there are two signs beside the door, signs we have seen many times before on Post Offices. The larger sign would say: Post Office Money Order Office Savings Bank And the smaller one Telegraph Office as in Post Office, Carnlough, Co. Antrim Traffic Jam in Main Street, Delgany, Co. Wicklow

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 21/Jul/2022 11:34:41

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Great Post! First Class work! Now I am wondering if Mr Armstrong twisted Mr French's arm to take a few photos of his businesses? As luck would have it, there is also a post box at the Court House!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jul/2022 11:35:03

    I see a poster for Cork Constitution, a newspaper from 1873 to independence, after which the Rugby Club is named. Headline: Imperial Parliament (?)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jul/2022 13:51:01

    I can't tell the date of the 25", but it is later than this shot. The building at the far end of the street in today's shot is the Sea View Hotel on the 25", and is Sea View Café and Market in Streetview 2017. But in todays shot, above the door, I see: St. Multose National School. www.stmultosens.ie/ 1895 and 1986 according to Streetview of the modern school. From their website: It was founded in 1895 and moved to its present site in 1986. It has had 3 extensions since then.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 21/Jul/2022 14:46:22

    Cork Examiner - 14 Sept 1901 - Armstrong is selling his house & post office on Long Quay.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jul/2022 15:58:43

    Some squinting has nearly convinced me that another headline in the Cork Constitution is "Church of England in Crisis". Trove has a number of hits, but mostly a bit earlier than the courthouse date, 1900-1902.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jul/2022 17:30:02

    St Multose National School is listed in the 1903 Guys on Main Street. 1891 also, contra their website.

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    suckindeesel

    • 21/Jul/2022 17:35:34

    Allen & Ginger were the original manufacturer’s of Richmond Gem cigarettes. They merged with other companies to form the American Tobacco Co in 1890. They were one of the first to introduce cigarette cards https://flic.kr/p/2iopWd7 https://flic.kr/p/2iontnp Not quite PC https://flic.kr/p/88g2L7

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jul/2022 17:46:00

    Advancing through the catalogue, I see a number of shots of Cork hung with Union Jacks, which we previously guessed as at the time of the 1902 international exhibition. The courthouse shot here suggests that those shots are at the time of the follow-up 1903 exhibition. L_CAB_05241