One hundred years after the signing of the Anglo-Irish Treaty that set up the Irish Free State we have a fine photo of Michael Collins. Collins is one of those who has become even bigger in the popular imagination in recent times and is almost canonised in many minds. Sadly when this was taken his days were numbered and we lost the great man all too early.
I assume the four on the front row are gentlemen of the press, heads down as they scribble in their notebooks. All that's missing is a piece of paper with "PRESS" written on it tucked into a trilby's hatband.
suckindeesel
17/Dec/2021 10:33:53
Correction
Michael Collins at St. Enda’s School, Rathfarnham, Dublin, addressing a meeting to promote the National Loan in 1920.
1966 edition of ‘The Capuchin Annual'
John Spooner
17/Dec/2021 10:37:25
The moustache: from facebook "Some of the less common photographs we see of Michael Collins are from a period during the Treaty negotiations in which he sported a moustache."
Pathe news: www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcNXfMBBzB0&t=19s
John Spooner
17/Dec/2021 10:57:35
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I hesitate to cast doubt on the details in the Capuchin Annual, but if it's St Enda's School it might be September 1921. That would also match the moustache date (Dublin Evening Telegraph - Thursday 08 September 1921)
O Mac
17/Dec/2021 10:57:53
Another photograph taken moments before or after where caption says it was taken at Armagh where Collins was speaking on behalf of the Irish Prisoners Dependant Fund.
photo credited to "Times Wide World Photos."
New York times 1921
pin.it/6xx1bei
John Spooner
17/Dec/2021 11:11:30
He made a speech in Armagh, widely reported, on Sunday 4th September 1921.
John Spooner
17/Dec/2021 11:28:53
This picture of the Armagh event was published in the Ballymena Weekly Telegraph on Saturday 10 September 1921 and shows
1) a railing round the 'stage'
2) some sort of 'carpet' (v bare boards)
3) a different design of chairs
And here is the photo which appeared in Freeman's Journal on Monday 12 September 1921, with no railing and an empty front row
suckindeesel
17/Dec/2021 12:56:40
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ The lady wth the large hat behind Collins is in both our photo and the Aeridheachd photo.
So, location is St. Enda's, which it certainly resembles.
Some sources name Armagh, incorrectly it seems.
www.jhluxton.com - John H. Luxton Photography
17/Dec/2021 14:15:10
A great man and a worthy opponent and I say that as an Englishman. Always been fascinated by Anglo-Irish history. One does wonder how the history of these islands would have evolved if he had not been assassinated and Collins had dominated the scene through the 20s and 30s. One of the big IFs of history.
an poc
17/Dec/2021 18:51:16
I'm pretty sure the white-haired lady is Margaret Pearse, mother of Patrick and Willie.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
17/Dec/2021 19:25:00
Mr Collins' watch chain reminds me of an Irish harp.
an poc
17/Dec/2021 20:40:09
Freeman's Journal, 12 Sept 1921: "With Mr. Collins on the platform were Mr. Eamonn Duggan, T.D.; Mr. R. Mulcahy, T.D.; Mr. Sean M'Garry, T.D.; Mr. Gearoid O'Sullivan, T.D.; Madame Markievicz, T.D.; Dr. Ada English, T.D.; Ald. Mrs. Clarke, and Mrs. Wyse-Power."
I'd say Mulcahy is the man second from the right, and (less confidently) that Jennie Wyse Power is the lady between Collins and the priest. But some of those names definitely don't match the faces. Perhaps some of them vacated the stage before Collins' speech?
CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY
18/Dec/2021 03:46:00
Notice his watch chain is almost the shape of a Harp. Michael Collins should be sainted, in fact.
suckindeesel
Armagh?
John Spooner
I assume the four on the front row are gentlemen of the press, heads down as they scribble in their notebooks. All that's missing is a piece of paper with "PRESS" written on it tucked into a trilby's hatband.
suckindeesel
Correction Michael Collins at St. Enda’s School, Rathfarnham, Dublin, addressing a meeting to promote the National Loan in 1920. 1966 edition of ‘The Capuchin Annual'
John Spooner
The moustache: from facebook "Some of the less common photographs we see of Michael Collins are from a period during the Treaty negotiations in which he sported a moustache." Pathe news: www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcNXfMBBzB0&t=19s
John Spooner
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I hesitate to cast doubt on the details in the Capuchin Annual, but if it's St Enda's School it might be September 1921. That would also match the moustache date
(Dublin Evening Telegraph - Thursday 08 September 1921)
O Mac
Another photograph taken moments before or after where caption says it was taken at Armagh where Collins was speaking on behalf of the Irish Prisoners Dependant Fund. photo credited to "Times Wide World Photos." New York times 1921 pin.it/6xx1bei
John Spooner
He made a speech in Armagh, widely reported, on Sunday 4th September 1921.
John Spooner
This picture of the Armagh event was published in the Ballymena Weekly Telegraph on Saturday 10 September 1921 and shows 1) a railing round the 'stage' 2) some sort of 'carpet' (v bare boards) 3) a different design of chairs
And here is the photo which appeared in Freeman's Journal on Monday 12 September 1921, with no railing and an empty front row
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ The lady wth the large hat behind Collins is in both our photo and the Aeridheachd photo. So, location is St. Enda's, which it certainly resembles. Some sources name Armagh, incorrectly it seems.
www.jhluxton.com - John H. Luxton Photography
A great man and a worthy opponent and I say that as an Englishman. Always been fascinated by Anglo-Irish history. One does wonder how the history of these islands would have evolved if he had not been assassinated and Collins had dominated the scene through the 20s and 30s. One of the big IFs of history.
an poc
I'm pretty sure the white-haired lady is Margaret Pearse, mother of Patrick and Willie.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Mr Collins' watch chain reminds me of an Irish harp.
an poc
Freeman's Journal, 12 Sept 1921: "With Mr. Collins on the platform were Mr. Eamonn Duggan, T.D.; Mr. R. Mulcahy, T.D.; Mr. Sean M'Garry, T.D.; Mr. Gearoid O'Sullivan, T.D.; Madame Markievicz, T.D.; Dr. Ada English, T.D.; Ald. Mrs. Clarke, and Mrs. Wyse-Power." I'd say Mulcahy is the man second from the right, and (less confidently) that Jennie Wyse Power is the lady between Collins and the priest. But some of those names definitely don't match the faces. Perhaps some of them vacated the stage before Collins' speech?
CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY
Notice his watch chain is almost the shape of a Harp. Michael Collins should be sainted, in fact.
Karin Joy Passmore
Looks like they are all praying...