Quiet time on Shaftesbury Square

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We stay in the wee north to start this week and to Shaftesbury Square in the heart of Belfast but as none of us has ever seen it. People are up and about but not too many, some appear to be children but no dogs........yet! I would have said Sunday morning but the loaded wagon at the horse trough would indicate otherwise as Sunday in Belfast tended to be full lock down in those days.

Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Circa 1865 - 1914 1887 to 1890

NLI Ref: L_ROY_00314

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Nov/2021 09:09:42

    Tramlines but no electric wires. 1872-1905 somewhere, the era of the horse trams.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Nov/2021 09:16:51

    The square does not appear in the 1877 or 1880 directories. In 1890 I see McDade, Mehaffy, Downie, Carson, Jordan, Pim. I should see Robert James, Fish merchant, between Mahaffy and Carson, but I see Alexander, Hardware etc. 1894: 2. Northern Banking Co. Ltd. - J. L. Downey, manager 4. Phillips, T., confectioner and fruiterer 6a. Lyttle, Miss, confectioner 8. Mahaffy & Co., boot, shoe & hosiery manufacturer 10. James, R., game, fish and poultry merchant 12. Carson, S., flesher 14. Jordan, Jno., tobacconist 16. Pim, E. & W., (branch) grocers and wine merchants

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Nov/2021 09:19:02

    Carson, Jordan, Pim are still there in 1901, but McDade, Mahaffy, Downie are gone. Gray is where we see Alexander.

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    cargeofg

    • 22/Nov/2021 09:30:26

    No help with the year but young trees are not in leaf and and a fair number of top floor windows are open. Bird cage out (see note) Springtime ?

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    cargeofg

    • 22/Nov/2021 09:35:03

    Early on a weekday Downies door is open but blinds not up. Mc Dades blinds up and gate from shop door is leaning against wall around the corner.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Nov/2021 09:35:13

    So I think we are before 1890.

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 22/Nov/2021 09:51:59

    Later, with electric trams by "W.A.G.", via [https://www.flickr.com/photos/jcspace/] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/jcspace/1090703691/] Edit - Original - www.nmni.com/collections/history/photographs/green-collec...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Nov/2021 10:05:44

    William McDade, Clothier, died suddenly in 1896 aged 57.

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    suckindeesel

    • 22/Nov/2021 10:07:42

    A little history lordbelmontinnorthernireland.blogspot.com/2014/02/shaftes...

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 22/Nov/2021 10:08:59

    There are a couple of later (with electric trams) reverse-ish views which show where Mr French was perched - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000325920 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000339596

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 22/Nov/2021 10:13:41

    "Shaftesbury Square, Belfast, was first recorded in 1887. It runs from Fulton Street to Dublin Road. The square was named after the Earl of Shaftesbury. There was a drinking fountain at the centre of the Square, designed by W J Barre. Number 1-11 was a three-storey terrace with dormers, known as Shaftesbury Buildings. Shaftesbury Buildings were built between 1884-87, though they suffered a devastating fire in 1968. ... " From - lordbelmontinnorthernireland.blogspot.com/2014/02/shaftes...

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    derangedlemur

    • 22/Nov/2021 10:21:16

    Very early in the morning - nothing's open yet. Have we a clock anywhere or do I need to go to the shadow machine?

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    derangedlemur

    • 22/Nov/2021 10:28:49

    Looks like half seven or eight in the morning sometime around midsummers day.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Nov/2021 10:36:24

    This postcard image shows that the shopfronts (Ferris?) on the porthole building were put in before the electric trams, and we are before that shopfront.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Nov/2021 11:44:25

    1887 directory: McDade, Downie, Davidson&co, Mahafy, Alexander, Carson, Jordan, Pim Match, so 1887 to 1890 somewhere.

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    derangedlemur

    • 22/Nov/2021 11:58:50

    Actually, although it's hard to tell because it's all changed so much, I think I may have streetview pointing the wrong way and it's actually late afternoon. Edit: In fact looking at the OSI 3rd and 4th editions, I'm sure of it. I think it's possibly around 5 o'clock sometime in March or September. The trees look pretty wintry, but the sun is quite far north.

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    derangedlemur

    • 22/Nov/2021 12:41:52

    Adjacent is Royal Avenue at 3 o'clock: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000040106 And High Street at one: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000040112

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 22/Nov/2021 13:43:02

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Date updated.

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    suckindeesel

    • 22/Nov/2021 18:11:16

    Street view, I think as so much has changed over the years. Google Earth Link earth.app.goo.gl/sU5xFx #googleearth