Old then and older now in Ballymena
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To end the week we visit the wonderful county of Antrim on Ireland's north east and a churchyard in the town of Ballymena. On the plate Lawrence describes it as an "Old Grave Yard" in Ballymena and 100+ years later it is now older again but what does it look like now and where is it in the town?
Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa1865 18961897 - 1914
NLI Ref: L_CAB_07149
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Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa
NLI Ref: L_CAB_07149
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Rik V.
This is an excellent Black and white Photo. Seen in Black & White Unlimited (pool) Your photo deserves a compliment from the special fish!!!
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ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Any advance on 1896?
Niall McAuley
I can't get in there with streetview, but the entrance lane is called "OLD CHURCH YARD ENTRY"
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Ruins then and now. Satellite view shows the shadow shape of the tower - www.google.com/maps/@54.8660105,-6.2728359,109m/data=!3m1... A 1855 new church in Castle street replaced this one. See - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Patrick%27s_Church,_Ballymena
robert.kraiczek
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ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
It's very confusing. The photo is looking west from almost inside where the old church was; the graves are 'inside'. See the relative position of the gabled building on the right on the satellite image.
Niall McAuley
From Edward Nicholl, 2008:
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Flickr is sometimes amazing! In 2009 via https://www.flickr.com/photos/derekheeps/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/derekheeps/4114071261/ "Consecrated in 1721. Used as a military barracks during the 1798 Rebellion, only the bare walls were left standing on their departure. When peace returned, the church was partially repaired and a small tower and gallery were added in 1821. Now only the tower remains. Many graves here are of historical and genealogical interest."
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Date of photo could be a year or two later as grass etc look well established on the grave.
robinparkes
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I immediately thought of St. Patrick's but was unsure. I had forgotten about the ruined church on the same site.
John Spooner
I wonder if the James Kinnear who erected the gravestone surrounded by railings is the J W Kinnear who died in 1911 "at an advanced age". The obituary in the Belfast News-letter on 14 February 1911 says he had emigrated to America and "amassed a considerable fortune", before retiring to Ballee Cottage which he had built on one of his visits to Ireland. His only son had died some years previously. Edit: It appears not. FIndagrave.com says he died in 1924, with a picture of the grave with additional entries www.findagrave.com/memorial/176416727/james-kinnear It says J W Kinnear (the returned emigre who died in 1911) was John, his brother. The next inscription after 1896 is their sister Margaret who died in 1910.
derangedlemur
It's just a tower on the 3rd edition (1900-1907), so pre-1907 Edit: Not pre-1907; it's also just a tower in the picture.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/ I see the boffiny geniuses have been tweaking the NLI website. Is it my imagination or has megazoom become gigazoom™️ ?
toto6169
👏 Very nice shot my friend, congrats ;)
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Looks that way. Still have to do your own histogram equalisation though.
John Spooner
The memorial erected by James Knowles has an inscription to his daughter, Annie Elizabeth, who died 14th November 1857 aged 18 months, but not to his sister-in-law Sarah Frances, who died on 21st February 1899, or to James himself, who died on 3rd June 1899, which would suggest, if the inscriptions were made reasonably soon after the deaths, that the photo dates from 1899 at the latest. www.findagrave.com/memorial/176424577/james-knowles
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Lets stick with MEGAZOOM. https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] "Still have to do your own histogram equalisation though" In simple terms for me please, Mary
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland You see the white stone in the foreground that you can't read? If you convert all the white to white and the very pale grey to darker grey, it'll be legible. What H.E does is counts the numbers of each intensity value in the picture (i.e. how much white, how much nearly white, how much grey, how much nearly black, how much black) and then changes the picture so that there are the same numbers of each intensity value. This has the effect that if the picture is all washed out or all black, it will spread it across the spectrum and bring out hidden details.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thank you.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner] Brilliant, as ever! Has anyone found anything about Patrick (patrck) Freel. Admiring his gravestone where the amateur(?) mason was running out of space, and not very good at lugubrious angels - [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/51690286162/in/dateposted/] There is also a Royal plate (you all knew that!) - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000321645
suckindeesel
I wonder if this Margaret Millar, d. 22 Feb 1897, aged 56, civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/death... the same person as last entry on the Millar headstone. The year isn't very clear on either our photo or the Royal plate, but other details are similar. Would take another year off the date range.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] It could be.
silverio10
Buenas fotos amtiguas .
John Spooner
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] According to findagrave.com the inscription for Margaret on the Millar headstone is
www.findagrave.com/memorial/176342274/william-millarsuckindeesel
Close, but no cigar. However, it still takes a year off the date range
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Date updated.