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Where: N Ireland, Belfast, UK
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The turbine shop in the Harland and Wolff ship building facility is described in the catalogue as the "Worlds Biggest" and from this angle is impressive. If the shipyards were still in full swing it would be such a boon to the people of the north of Ireland. But time marches on.
Photographer: Thomas H. Mason / R. Welch
Collection: Mason Photographic Collection
Date:1890 - 1910 Most likely June 1912.
NLI Ref: M25/J/2
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Photographer: Thomas H. Mason / R. Welch
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NLI Ref: M25/J/2
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ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
There is a companion photo with previous controversy about Olympic / Titanic - [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/18073561205/] catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000539698
CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY
I didn't know the Irish manufactured Jet/Turbine Engines.
derangedlemur
You'd know it was a unionist workforce anyway, with the bowler hats on the pair of lads there 😄
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Original photo was by R. Welch, according to this 1912 book - www.gutenberg.org/files/32166/32166-h/32166-h.htm#harland
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Good find!!
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] does the bowler qualify as a "Hard Hat"?
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland More recalcitrant than hard, I think.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I only noticed that there are at lease 6 men in the photo. https://www.flickr.com/photos/cassidyphotography https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia
derangedlemur
According to Wikipedia, "The bowler, a protective and durable hat style... ...is saidby whom? to have been designed in 1849 by the London hat-makers Thomas and William Bowler to fulfill an order placed by the company of hatters James Lock & Co. of St James's,4 which had been commissioned by a customer to design a close-fitting, low-crowned hat to protect gamekeepers from low-hanging branches while on horseback at Holkham Hall", so maybe. I suspect it's a boss class thing though.
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland In fairness, three of them are hiding and one of them is camouflaged.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Robert Welch at Wikipedia is worth a look.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Also www.newulsterbiography.co.uk/index.php/home/viewPerson/1693# I bet he is also responsible for the other "Mason" Titanic/Olympic photo. Edit - Yes! www.nmni.com/collections/history/photographs/welch-collec...
rpgvlwqt88
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/51554027567/in/dateposted-public/
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I see he was President of the Conchological Society of Great Britain and Ireland! Conchology (from Ancient Greek: κόγχος konkhos, "cockle") is the study of mollusc shells. Conchology is one aspect of malacology, the study of molluscs; however, malacology is the study of molluscs as whole organisms, whereas conchology is confined to the study of their shells.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Impressive poster.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
I wonder if Mr French knew Mr Welch ?!
suckindeesel
They made steam turbines in this hall of industry. The Titanic had a steam turbine driving the centre propeller. While the workmen wore cloth hats, the bosses wore the bowler which also offered some protection from objects dropped from above by a disgruntled employee.
Niall McAuley
Robert John Welch, Landscape Photographer, in the 1911 census at home in Lonsdale street. Single at 51, he lives with his unmarried sister Sara Elizabeth and one servant. I can see Lonsdale Street on the PRONI historical maps, one of a set of roads running South from Crumlin Road between the courthouse and Carlisle Circus, but it has all been redeveloped, even the streets are gone. Roughly where Hopewell Avenue and Hopewell Crescent are now.
Niall McAuley
in 1901 they are also in Lonsdale Street, but mother Martha is still alive, and niece Ruby Walker. Ruby is the daughter of Robert Walker and Katherine Mary née Welch. K/C atherine gave her occupation as Photographer when getting married in 1883. Sarah was a witness. I tell a lie, that is the occupation of her father, David Walshe/Welch who died in 1875 of Consumption in Bangor.
Aunty Margaret's Travels
I assume the Thomas Shanks on the base of the machine indicates that it was made by Thomas Shanks of Johnstone "a leading industrialist of the nineteenth century who owned a company of heavy machine toolmakers, Thomas Shanks and Company." (www.renfrewshire.gov.uk/article/3344/Thomas-Shanks-Park.) www.gracesguide.co.uk/Thomas_Shanks_and_Co
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Surprising to see Walshe on the marriage record rather than Welch?
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I assume you are correct!
John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Oops! I was logged into the wrong account - I'm currently digitising my late aunt's slides of her travels, hence the account name.
John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] The workers themselves weren't safe from objects being dropped (or just falling from allegedly unsafe machinery) Belfast News-Letter - Thursday 07 April 1887, with Mr Dodd, Q.C. opening the case for the plaintiff Mr M'Geagh.:
H & W were paying M'Geagh £1 a week until the case (alleging negligence) was decided in the House of Lords. The machine in question had been supplied by Thomas Shanks of Johnston.O Mac
Variable pitch propellers, white metal bearings.....the size of everything!! it's nuts.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner I still assume you are correct. Aunty Margaret had some very nice photos.
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland I've known people spelled Walsh who pronounce it Welsh - and spellings weren't always as fixed back in 1870. My own grandfather was recorded as McAuley by accident, his parents were Macauleys.
John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland A few thousand left to scan, then there's identification of people, places and dates. It's a good job I've had plenty of practice.
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[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] I have come across that too Mr Macauley!! [https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner] Don't forget the www.flickr.com/groups/locationhunters/ group.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
*looks forward to a slide-night with Aunty Margaret !* Flickr is sometimes amazing! Via https://www.flickr.com/photos/internetarchivebookimages/ the "centre shaft exhaust turbine of 'Brittanic' ", 1913. Presumably built in this workshop. Might be of interest to the mechanically minded ... https://www.flickr.com/photos/internetarchivebookimages/14758335106/
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rathmore_rambler/6905942403/in/photolist-bwfL5t-2jF48Au-dKrPNX-sahw9H-LmMtng-2kd6viz-GiaV2a-xNK93p-v7F44t-q8XZam-S6LZRt-HYk6QT-q9ccsR-r5Qu5D-2cgLbFd-EErPwt-bDppud-qNwFap-xSPAow-27vR7Cv-HqGs6Z-SheXhy-2hRMwC4-2j2ekqE-2kd6ycL-bSjcE4-U8rgQp-btjXdW-yotoyh-r5YyxK-XQPyhh-2cEgJSW-HLesGN-y3HXWf-wxxqtK-24R4TWv-SnKvLf-fnPBaD-MEKNpd-Yint8G-G2WQWc-2hNs6QZ-f7eqsH-s5iYGz-2hfPYhA-21ehXqS-TAHzgb-zbhNRb-RZjtYM-9mafNy via Rathmore Rambler
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] They were all protestants in those times, but the bowler didn't indicate lodge membership. Rather, they were what was called 'hats' which indicated a certain status, usually a manager. The workmen wore a duncher cap. I knew a couple of 'freestaters' who got jobs there during WW2 when they were laid off by the GNR down south. The yard was busy with naval ship repairs and were short handed due to workers enlisting. They were happy enough then to employ Catholics, that is until the war ended and then they were sent home. One of them told me that story about how bowlers offered some protection from the odd hot rivet or nut that was 'accidently' dropped.
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/51667612432/in/dateposted/ This one from the H&W archive is a lot clearer Includes info: Object Name Photograph; glass plate negative Maker Welch, Robert John (1859-1936); Harland and Wolff Date Made 1912-06(circa) So author and date June 1912, so post Titanic
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Date details updated.