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A wonderful family occasion captured by the Poole family back in 1938 where this family celebrated the arrival of the fourth generation while the great grandparents were still alive and well. While my mother and two sisters lived to see the fourth generation none of their husbands did and that shows how rare that was back in the 1930's! Commissioned by Mr. JJ Whelan of Clonard, Wexford it might be interesting to trace the family, perhaps that baby is still alive and well today?

Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford

Date: Circa July 1938

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 4268

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 14/Oct/2021 07:43:55

    The baby's expression is due to the state of the Poole carpet.

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    John Spooner

    • 14/Oct/2021 08:31:38

    My uncle was a GP, and practised in the same town for all of his career. His claim to fame was he dealt with five generations of the same family - the oldest generation passed away during the early years of his work, and their great great grandchild was born not long before he retired.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 14/Oct/2021 08:36:47

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Nice story.

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    John Spooner

    • 14/Oct/2021 08:45:33

    Is this Mr Whelan senior? - An obituary for draper Mr James Joseph Whelan, aged 91, in the New Ross Standard on 2nd January 1953. In the obituary his son is named as James J Whelan, jnr, and in the list of mourners are James, John, Brendan, Brian, Geraldine and Louise Whelan (grandchildren). The only other relative mentioned are two brothers - Edward, a well-known tenor who had recently died in San Francisco, and William, who died in South Africa in 1950.

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    John Spooner

    • 14/Oct/2021 09:00:19

    1911 census - John James Whelan, aged 0, of Main St North, which matches (almost) the address of the original Whelan shop in Wexford (Main Street South). The obituary says that he took on premises in the Bull Ring in 1904, but doesn't say what happened to the Main St shop. I got my John James confused with my James Joseph. To confuse matters further, my great grandfather was a John Joseph, also a draper. I'll stick to 'JJ'. At some point JJ snr moved to Blackrock, Dublin (which is where he died) James Joseph jnr "established and is chairman of the gents' outfitting firm Best in Grafton Street, Westmoreland Street, and O'Connell Street, Dublin." (from J J Whelan snr's obituary).

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    John Spooner

    • 14/Oct/2021 09:23:30

    The obituary of Lawrence Kirwan at the age of 81 (New Ross Standard, 8th January 1966) lists his daughter Mrs J J Whelan of Blackrock, Dublin as a mourner. So I'd guess JJ jnr's wife is the former Miss Kirwan. Edit: or is she the wife of one of JJ Jnr's sons (two of whom had names beginning with 'J')?

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    John Spooner

    • 14/Oct/2021 09:35:18

    In a change from obituaries, in 1947 Mrs J J Whelan of Moongate, Clonard, advertised for a nanny for five children (three of school age). (New Ross Standard (again) 13th & 20th June 1947)

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    John Spooner

    • 14/Oct/2021 09:40:17

    There were still Whelans at Moongate, Clonard in 1973. A J J Whelan of that address qualified as a timekeeper for the Irish Amateur Boxing Association. (New Ross Standard - Friday 05 January 1973)

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    John Spooner

    • 14/Oct/2021 09:58:49

    New Ross Standard, 2012. James Joseph Whelan in trouble with the Revenue Commissioners Another generation or coincidence?

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    John A. Coffey

    • 14/Oct/2021 11:39:55

    Another beautiful family photograph from Mr.Poole, the baby would be about 83 years today.

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    silverio10

    • 14/Oct/2021 21:47:24

    Buenas fotos antiguas

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    Flickr

    • 15/Oct/2021 04:15:21

    Congrats on Explore! ⭐ October 14, 2021

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    • 15/Oct/2021 04:23:07

    Glückwunsch zu Explore !

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    Brunswick Forge

    • 15/Oct/2021 04:26:45

    📷👍❤This is an excellent addition to today's Explore page.💕 ❤ 👍📷 Greetings from southwestern Virginia, USA.💕

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    Christa Annarumma

    • 15/Oct/2021 05:01:30

    Sehr schöne Aufnahme 😊

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    gato-gato-gato

    • 15/Oct/2021 05:36:35

    Das ist schön.

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    incognito7nyc

    • 15/Oct/2021 06:34:20

    ✨🌟★❤✯♥♡✨ Very beautiful ✨♡♥✯❤★🌟✨

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    ekeha

    • 15/Oct/2021 08:49:40

    Gratulation zum Explore ♥

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    sharmsubbiah

    • 15/Oct/2021 08:52:36

    amazing work , congrats on Explore !

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    • 15/Oct/2021 10:56:06

    Congrats............

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    frederieke.ceuppens

    • 15/Oct/2021 14:12:31

    dat is wel mooi niet ik hoop dat er nog veel mensen deze zullen bekijken

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    Bernard Healy

    • 15/Oct/2021 16:23:59

    I did a search of all Whelan marriages from 1935 to 1937 in Wexford Registrar District. My reasoning was that we seem to be looking at a first-born child, and the assumption is that this would happen in the first few years of the marriage. Granted, none of the underlying assumptions are rock solid, but it gives us a small pool of families to work with. Anyway, the only likely marriage - based on social standing and the names of the participants - that matches is the following: civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marri... Marriage of James Kirwin (I mean WHELAN!) (Aged 27, Main St, Wexford, son of James Whelan, Draper) to Eileen Kirwin (Aged 21, Lorneville, Wexford, daughter of Laurence Kirwin, Solicitor) who married 31 August 1937. Looking at the names listed in the obituary above, this would make our baby either James Whelan or Geraldine Whelan - assuming that the grandsons & granddaughters are listed by age. Again, a lot of assumptions baked in there, but maybe it might help our research.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 15/Oct/2021 20:27:01

    I think I’ve cracked it! Have a look at the photos accompanying this article: m.independent.ie/regionals/wexfordpeople/news/wexfords-ri.... Easily identifiable in one of them is Laurence Kirwan (the grandfather on the left) & Jim Whelan (the father of the baby). I think we can be sure there we’re looking at the firstborn child of James Whelan & Ellen Kirwan.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 15/Oct/2021 20:29:02

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Ooops! In my transcription of the marriage record above, I wrote James Kirwan rather than James Whelan.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 15/Oct/2021 20:34:33

    Here is Moongate - the Whelan home mentioned above www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/15608...

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    Dr. Ilia

    • 28/Oct/2021 08:00:20

    masterful