School Excursion, near Ballydowd
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We have a lovely photo from the Dublin Trams Collection for your perusal today. I have not heard the word "excursion" for a very long time. It is a word that reminds me of three specific things, being cold, soggy tomato sandwiches contaminated with sand and egg salad. Oh, the joys of youth and memory!
Photographers: Chiefly, William Arthur Camwell
Collection: Dublin Trams Collection
Date: ca.1884-1963 1895
NLI Ref: NPA TRAM138
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Photographers: Chiefly, William Arthur Camwell
Collection: Dublin Trams Collection
Date: ca.
NLI Ref: NPA TRAM138
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O Mac
The Dublin and Lucan Steam Tramway Company was electrified in 1895. so before then. Got whacked* for laughing at the mummified head of Oliver Plunkett when on primary school excursion to Drogheda. *clip across the ear.
derangedlemur
It's all dual carriageway now. I doubt we'll find much trace of it in streetview.
derangedlemur
We went to visit the Cavan bottling plant, and were each given a 25cl bottle of Cavan Cola, but anyone with the gumption to talk to the workers on the bottling line could get a 1.5L bottle off them. It added a new element of jeopardy to Stop The Bus, I Want a Wee Wee on the way home.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Very good.
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Presumably this was before we had discovered thanks to Dermot Bolger that it is in fact the head of George MacSpracken?
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
It's THE COCOA TRAIN ! I remember the smell of vomit. Someone was always sick . . .
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Yuk!
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
The Irish Railways Archive on Twitter reckon "c. 1897" - mobile.twitter.com/irishrailways/status/1331226448481411073 And this page thinks "c. 1895" - www.tramwaybadgesandbuttons.com/page148/page149/styled-23... "An evocative image — taken circa 1895 — of two school excursion trains (the second is out of shot to the right) at Ballydowd. The engine is one of the larger Kitsons, No 6." & "A blow-up of the above photo showing the engine driver and fireman/stoker aboard No 6, both in railway footplate-like attire. The figure in the kepi-style cap and long coat is probably a conductor, though he could equally well be an inspector or even a station master."
CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY
So, I was first introduced to Cadbury chocolate, when I was flying a Hercules, during the civil war between MPLA and UNITA. There was a store called AngoShip that only foreigners and those at the highest level of Angola's government and society (mostly mixed Angolan/Portuguese) would/could shop at. And, they sold Cadbury chocolate. I discovered that Cadbury tastes very different, depending when in the world it was made. There is a Cadbury factory, near Hobart Tasmania that uses only milk ("A glass and a half") from Tasmanian dairies.
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I have mapped this to the corner of Lucan Road and Roselawn. There is a double tracked stopping / passing place on the 25 inch map which looks like the correct place and its right in the middle of Ballydowd it must be it? https://www.flickr.com/photos/cassidyphotography https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Links to Geohive not working at the moment
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Does this apply? Is the track raised? ... "... By 1895 the tramway was in poor condition and the track needed relaying. Much damage had been done by vehicles other than the tramway engines, and it was decided to reconstruct the track on a raised formation above road level." See - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_and_Lucan_tramway
suckindeesel
Does look to be laid on a raised bed. earth.app.goo.gl/RQFYAj #googleearth 25" arcg.is/fuLGD As an aside, note the anti Traveller posts on the opposite side, no stopping here
suckindeesel
Timeline 1895: tracks relaid on raised bed, as appears to be the case in our photo 1897: Steam operation ceased. 1900: electrified and regauged. Therefore propose 1895 - 1897
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/cassidyphotography https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia We had this Fonthill photo previously which was post electrification of the line. https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/48597939562
Swordscookie
Our school excursions were always to Dublin. we were taken in a coach to the airport, zoo and the Phoenix Park. Our guide was waxing lyrical about Aras an Uachtarain when a few wise guys began chanting "Arse" an Uachtarain. He quickly changed the title to "The Vice-Regal lodge"
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie Very good, I suppose the destinations in the Capital were to give ye a taste of a little bit of culture! ;-)
O Mac
There was only one passing loop at Ballydowd so has to be here. geohive.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=9... Streetview Lucan Rd maps.app.goo.gl/93t6ALS2cJPjEYyHA
sharon.corbet
I think we may have had a historical tour of Malahide one year (exceptionally exciting considering we were all living and going to school in Malahide.) The trip to Fota was appreciated a bit more.
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] The power house was housed in what is now the premises of Sureweld www.askaboutireland.ie/reading-room/environment-geography... It brought electric light to Lucan, supplying two convents, the barracks and other 'important' buildings which could afford the cost.
Niall McAuley
Previously on this line:
Swordscookie
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ True. The zoo full of caged animals, the airport - which couldn't compete with Shannon and the smelly Liffey which made us long for the lordly Shannon!
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie I thought ye were travelling into the City from Swords!!
suckindeesel
"But yet I have a feeling, when the world's come to an end, That the steam tram will come stealing like an old and trusted friend, When we're standing round in billions trying to get across the Styx, And the cars are lined in millions, and we're really in a fix, When the buses cannot shift on, and the traffic's all a jam, Perhaps we'll get a lift on . . . THE OLD-STEAM-TRAM." by Barry Tynan O'Mahony
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A couple more questions - What are those cables on sticks for above the trams? What was/is "NIXEY'S" ?
LucanTram
The cable above the roof was an early form of communication cord which connected to a bell on the engine. It was phased out in the 1890's when the requirement to connect the cord to the automatic brakes became compulsory.
LucanTram
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Spot on. The alignment of the road and the widening of the pavement at Ballydowd reflect to this day the position of the loop. Some of the lamp posts in the Google maps image are former tram poles from the electrified era.
LucanTram
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I think Nixeys was advertising for Black Lead / Grate polish.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thank you.
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Flickr is sometimes ... via https://www.flickr.com/photos/joan_thewlis/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/joan_thewlis/2901519328/ via https://www.flickr.com/photos/carlylehold/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/carlylehold/43919903492/
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Lordly Shannon is ghetto slang for The Broadmeadow.
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] The Regulation of Railways Act 1889 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Railways_Act_1889 replaced that early bell cord with a modern passenger operated emergency brake. Did this apply to trams as well? If so, may date photo a little earlier.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] It may be hard to see the difference but time can affect perception:-)
unci_narynin
This looks like great fun!