Monaghan Week - The Diamond in Monaghan

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Where: Ulster, County Monaghan, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1930

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The Marys decided to have a week with a theme, and as Patrick Kavanagh is a favourite poet and the county itself is a wonderland, it was agreed that we would feature Monaghan each day for this Monaghan Week. We are starting today with this fine Eason image of The Diamond in Monaghan, with lots of public and private transport on display!

Photographer: Unknown

Collection: Eason Photographic Collection

Date: between 1900-1939 1929-1931

NLI Ref: EAS_3338

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 21/Jun/2021 07:52:58

    Patrick Kavanagh's tribute to his native county! O stony grey soil of Monaghan The laugh from my love you thieved; You took the gay child of my passion And gave me your clod-conceived. You clogged the feet of my boyhood And I believed that my stumble Had the poise and stride of Apollo And his voice my thick tongued mumble. You told me the plough was immortal! O green-life conquering plough! The mandril stained, your coulter blunted In the smooth lea-field of my brow.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jun/2021 08:20:48

    The bus at left is ZI 3512, in the Dublin sequence ZI 1 to ZI 9999 (Mar 1927 – May 1933) We also have BI 1804, less useful: Monaghan BI 1 to BI 9999 (Dec 1903 – Mar 1961) IB 4406 is an Armagh reg, I think.

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    O Mac

    • 21/Jun/2021 08:36:48

    According to Classic Buses site ZI 3512 was an AEC Reliance new in June 1929; withdrawn in 1937 and scrapped 10/1937 www.classicbuses.co.uk/+GNR.html Would suggest the date range 1929 to 1937

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    John Spooner

    • 21/Jun/2021 08:39:42

    An advert appeared in the Belfast News-Letter on Thursday 08 November 1917 announcing that the high-class Drapery known as the Alma House, Monaghan, was to be sold. The first adverts of Thomas McCabe of Alma House appeared in 1919 (requiring a competent man for Woollens and Drapery Sales), and continued until 1942.

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    billh35

    • 21/Jun/2021 08:40:47

    IB 4406 was a Vulcan Duke which belonged to Northern Ireland operator Nugent, Darkley and which operated between Keady and Dundalk via Monaghan. It was new in 1929 so the image cannot be before that date. It passed to GNR (175) in 1931 and was withdrawn in 1934 following an accident - therefore the image dates from between 1929 and 1934. ZI 3512 was a 1929 AEC Reliance with Potter body which was GNR (29) - it lasted until 1937. BI 1504 belonged to McGirr's Bus Service, Monaghan who ran between Monaghan and Longford.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 21/Jun/2021 08:47:15

    The Diamond has some ... Rounded Corners One of the most unusual characteristics of Monaghan town is the amount of buildings with softly curved corners. These buildings, located at street corners, have the effect of making two streets appear blended together. ... From - www.askaboutireland.ie/learning-zone/primary-students/loo...

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 21/Jun/2021 08:49:55

    There is a view to the east " (1) " with more clues - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000558964

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    John Spooner

    • 21/Jun/2021 09:06:23

    Thomas Nugent, omnibus proprietor, of Keady, Co. Armagh was mentioned in a court case which dragged on from March 1930 to June 1931. It involved non-payment of (or exemption from) road tax, and much legal argument about cross-border regulations and import duties, amongst other things. (Drogheda Argus and Leinster Journal - Saturday 13 June 1931)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 21/Jun/2021 09:18:21

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Date updated as suggested.

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    John Spooner

    • 21/Jun/2021 09:25:38

    Temperance Hotel - the sign is half hidden behind the telegraph pole, but applicants for the post of manageress were invited to send their particulars to Mrs Henry (Northern Whig - Tuesday 30 May 1933, also Belfast News-Letter - Saturday 30 September 1922). It appears the Henry family themselves lived at the Temperance Hotel in Moy (Mrs Henry of the Temperance Hotel, Moy, is often mentioned in the winners at dog shows in the 1920s and 1930s)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jun/2021 09:43:20

    The NIAH drops the ball - the AIB building has absorbed Henry's Temperance Hotel since this pic, and the facades now match, but buildingsofireland has no clue.

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    cargeofg

    • 21/Jun/2021 10:07:11

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley IB is Armagh. Dec1903 to Aug 1947. IB 1 to IB 9999

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 21/Jun/2021 10:07:13

    The car in front of Alma House is there in both photos, with a man 'riding shotgun' staring straight at the camera. Wonder if it is the photographer's getaway car? Or just a spy?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jun/2021 10:57:39

    The ex-town hall building at right is labelled CINEMA. On the 6" Cassini in the 30s, there is a real cinema marked on Glaslough street, which is still there, although now a vacant Heating and Plumbing outlet, per Streetview. There is now an Omniplex which opened in 2016, and reference was made to the town being without a cinema for 3 years, but the one that closed seems to be the Diamond Screen (still there but disused), not the one on Glaslough Street. That makes at least 4 cinemas!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jun/2021 11:12:20

    This WR&S Eason EAS_3318 has to be way earlier, the WR&S ones are 1903ish. Henry's Temperance Hotel is there, there is no Cinema sign, horse transport instead of buses, and at right, Joseph Holland. I see him in the 1911 census, a merchant aged 33. That shop is occupied by a xxFFY in todays later shot.

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    Foxglove

    • 21/Jun/2021 11:34:14

    really taken with the buildings with curves rather than edges, also a lot of Irish towns have "diamonds" rather than squares even though a "square"/ place/ plaza could have sides of unequal lengths ....

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jun/2021 12:12:13

    Published in 1956, here is a very vague reference to McGirrs buses: At Longford, there is an Erne service from Carrigallen, and two other small independents run into this town of some 3,500 inhabitants. Both these services run daily to Cavan, the Pioneer Bus Service, via Granard, and Mr. J. McGirr, of Arvagh, via Arvagh and Drumlish. Pioneer employ three Bedfords, whilst Mr. McGirr runs a Daimler 38-seater, Commer 32-seater, Bedford 26-seater and an AE.C. 32-seater. Mr. McGirr at one time operated between Portadown and Dungannon in Co. Armagh, but disposed of this service in 1930 when he began his present operations.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jun/2021 12:17:00

    Surely this is the same Nugent's bus in Carrickmacross? Nugent's Bus Service We established there that the bus is a Vulcan Duke.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jun/2021 12:25:34

    Over on that other pic, https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] wrote: The vehicle is a Vulcan Duke built with Vulcan 20 seat bus bodywork which was one of a batch of five - IB 4078, 4082, 4222, 4405/6 delivered new to Nugents Bus Service of Keady, Co. Armagh in 1929... All of these vehicles would pass to the Great Northern Railway of Ireland in 1931 with 11 entering service (all except CD 3158) with IB 4404, IB 4689, TE 2039, GD 5184 passing to the Northern Ireland Road Transport Board in 1935. which I think means we are in the range 1929-1931. I wonder if Nugents commissioned a photographer to record their new bus in operation in 1929?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jun/2021 12:50:43

    The man directly to the right of the Nugents bus today could be the blurred conductor from that other shot, wearing a money pouch and ticket machine?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jun/2021 15:26:15

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] that classic buses page lists the Nugent bus, too, narrowing the dates further: 175 IB 4406 Vulcan Duke 3XS54 - Vulcan B20 new 12/1929; ex Nugent, Keady 11/1931; w/d 2/1934 following accident and scrapped ?/?? I read that as new in December 1929, transferred to GNR in November 1931. Todays shot is not winter - no-one is wearing an overcoat. So 1930 or 1931.

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    suckindeesel

    • 21/Jun/2021 16:07:59

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Yes, IB was Armagh IB301 to 9999 (Dec 1903 – Aug 1947), so not any help in dating

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    suckindeesel

    • 21/Jun/2021 17:20:48

    The number of various bus companies operating is very striking, and an indication of the decline of the railway, despite Monaghan town still being served.

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    suckindeesel

    • 21/Jun/2021 17:22:19

    The monument in the background is the Rossmore Monument "the structure commemorates Henry Westenra, fourth Baron Rossmore who died as the result of a hunting accident at Windsor Castle, England, in 1874 at the age of 23. The monument was erected in 1876..."

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    O Mac

    • 21/Jun/2021 18:30:33

    Niall McAuley Well spotted. That narrows it down alright. That electricity pole beside the monument didn't become an ESB pole 'till 1937. It was a Monaghan Lighting Co. pole at time of photo. www.google.com/amp/s/esbarchives.ie/2017/09/18/connecting...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 21/Jun/2021 20:20:01

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/foxglove https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thank you all for a wonderful start to Monaghan week. This was a great chase and makes for very interesting reading. Virtual sticky buns all round!!!

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    Foxglove

    • 21/Jun/2021 20:24:03

    cinnabons!