The Boys who fought with heart and hand!

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The 1798 Memorial in New Ross town commemorates a time of revolt and carnage that took place mainly in that county, and neighbouring Wicklow. A powerful reminder of a popular uprising that allegedly resulted in more casualties than the French revolution 9 years earlier?

Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Circa 1865-1914

NLI Ref: L_ROY_09607

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 01/Jun/2021 07:29:19

    Not Wexford Town, but New Ross - Streetview www.google.ie/maps/@52.3956392,-6.9442701,3a,75y,304.23h,...

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 01/Jun/2021 07:31:51

    NIAH states it was unveiled (twice!) in 1907: www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/15605...

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 01/Jun/2021 07:38:41

    A poster for the New Town Hall in the window of the bar advertises an event due to take place on 'Monday Sept. 2nd' - since photo can't be earlier than June 1907 (when the monument was unveiled), the photo may have been taken in Summer 1907, 1912 or 1918

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 01/Jun/2021 08:01:46

    Molloy's (see note) still going - "Patrick Molloy started the business in 1892 in Kilkenny city, Callan Co. Kilkenny and Dungarvan Co. Waterford. The business was continued by his sons Miko and Paddy.Patrick Molloy’s grandson, Pat Murphy together with his wife Breda, daughter Elaine and son in law Tommy continue to deliver the same standard of service as that of previous generations." www.molloyscallan.ie/

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 01/Jun/2021 08:04:14

    Who pinched the drinking fountain? Edit: (1888-1906) - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000334528

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    cargeofg

    • 01/Jun/2021 08:08:12

    Poster in the window of FitzGerald is for ELSTAR-GRIME OPERA CO. at New Town Hal on Monday 2th Sept. The other poster could be for Carmen ?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 01/Jun/2021 08:19:34

    Yes, the Elster-Grime Opera Co. were in Dungarvan in 1907 - www.waterfordmuseum.ie/exhibit/web/DisplayPrintableImage/... 'Carmen' (1875) is a definite possibility - listen to a 1903 orchestra recording - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmen#Recordings

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Jun/2021 08:20:58

    I don't get the reference to a "New" town hall. The building now used as a town hall is the former market house and Tholsel, and is very old. One floor was being used as a town hall as early as 1863: www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/15605...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Jun/2021 08:23:06

    Aha! cinematreasures.org/theaters/57712 Also here: The present building was built in 1806, eight years after the Insurrection of 1798, and served as the Parish church until 1902 when the new parish church, St. Mary’s & Michael’s, was opened. Over the next half century the building had many uses, as a town hall and also as a cinema. So the church closed in 1902 - when did it reopen as the Town Hall?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Jun/2021 08:40:44

    Given as a Town Hall in the 1911 census.

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    John Spooner

    • 01/Jun/2021 08:44:50

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley On 25th June 1903 a bazaar was held in order to raise funds "for the highly commendable two-fold purpose of clearing off the debt that will remain on the new church, by acquiring the old one, and suitably fitting up the latter as a town hall for the general public" (New Ross Standard - Friday 03 July 1903) The first activity I have found taking place in the 'new town hall' was on January 19th 1904 - technical instruction and art classes given by Mr Miles (Enniscorthy Guardian - Saturday 09 January 1904) "The New Ross Gaelic League have been rented the use of the new Town Hall by the Town Hall Committee at the nominal rent of a shilling a week" ( New Ross Standard - Friday 08 May 1903) Now I'm confused.

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    derangedlemur

    • 01/Jun/2021 08:57:30

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley It's town hall on both the 6" and the 25", so probably by 1913. (Since they changed the viewer, I don't know how you get the date from a historic sheet). Edit: I have discovered it on the other viewer. The survey date on the 25" is 1902 and the publication date is 1904, so even if it's a late change, they had it marked as Town Hall by 1904.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Jun/2021 09:14:44

    Patrick Tierney is 74 in Quay Street in 1901, not there in 1911. Death record 1903, 9th October. Patrick Fitzgerald next door is 87 in 1901. Dies aged 86 in 1906 (?). Hmm, I don't see Quay Street in the 1911 census at all.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 01/Jun/2021 09:49:46

    Ooo! There is another view of North St, to the right, with corner boys, a dog, the 'Carmen' poster, but no clock. More clues? - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000330881

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    derangedlemur

    • 01/Jun/2021 10:21:26

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia That one's outside the usual census range - Murphy the Draper is a William in both 1901 and 1911. He appears to be Domenick in the photo.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Jun/2021 10:57:36

    There is another French/Lawrence of North street, L_ROY_08169 which is a different day.

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    John Spooner

    • 01/Jun/2021 11:01:01

    Death klaxxon. When the Elster-Grime Opera Co arrived in New Ross in September 1907, Edward Grime was in the last stages of an incurable illness. On friends' advice he entered the Houghton Hospital in New Ross and died there on Thursday 3rd October. He was born in Liverpool 50 years previously, and had been manger of the opera company for about 10 years. He was buried at New Ross. (from New Ross Standard - Friday 11 October 1907)

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    John Spooner

    • 01/Jun/2021 11:09:24

    The company continued to be known as the Elster-Grime Opera Co after Mr Grimes's death until at least 1912. The papers refer to Madame Elster and her company.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Jun/2021 11:52:11

    William Murphy's father was James Murphy, a farmer, so not his father's name on the shop.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 01/Jun/2021 12:15:02

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I think that's DOHERTY & MURPHY - the name of a pub on North Street in this 1896 directory: freepages.rootsweb.com/~nyirish/genealogy/WEXFORD,%20Slat... CORRECTION: 1894

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    suckindeesel

    • 01/Jun/2021 12:17:39

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Ironically, the statue faces the 'old' Town Hall, whose foundation stone is inscribed 'Anniversary of ye Glorious BATTLE of the BOYNE 1690',

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    suckindeesel

    • 01/Jun/2021 12:19:01

    All indications are that photo is summer 1907

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    derangedlemur

    • 01/Jun/2021 12:22:39

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy That makes more sense. If they're there in 1901 or 1911, they don't live over the shop.

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    suckindeesel

    • 01/Jun/2021 12:46:34

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11024004234 The Battle of Ross

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    suckindeesel

    • 01/Jun/2021 12:56:49

    Inscription reads: "TO OUR HEROIC ANCESTORS WHO FOUGHT AND FELL IN THE BATTLE OF ROSS JUNE 3RD 1798. FROM A GRATEFUL POSTERITY A Dia Saor Èire" I wonder what is the significance , if any, of the chains, particularly the hanging 'D links'?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Jun/2021 13:00:16

    9196 and 8169 both linked above show the 1907 monument and North St. 9196, same signs in windows as today, shows Jeffares at right (beside O'D&M's pub). 8169 shows J.J Fitzgerald.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Jun/2021 13:38:48

    Isabella Jeffares is in https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy's Slaters directory in 1896 1894, meaning that 9196 (and todays shot) are after the 1907 unveiling, but before Mr. French returned on a later date to take 8169, which itself had to be 1914 at latest. Isabella is 64 in the 1901 census, but died in September that year aged 66.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 01/Jun/2021 13:57:38

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Apologies - I should have written 1894, but your point stands. 1907 seems a very very plausible date for this photo, with the only possible alternative being 1912.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Jun/2021 13:58:43

    9196 (and therefore today) is before a certain building down North Street, but the NIAH does not have a date for it, saying only 1905-1939. Usually means it is not in a 1905 photo but is in a 1939 photo. www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/15605...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Jun/2021 14:27:51

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] The Browne-Clayton memorial, which was a fountain here, is now in Pearse Park, long distance Streetview. NIAH has an entry, but no useful dates: The monument, commemorating Lieutenant-General Robert Browne-Clayton (1771-1845) of Carrickbyrne Lodge (see 15703515), originally enjoyed a prominent position opposite the town hall on Quay Street but, for a time symbolically overshadowed by the later 1798 Monument (see 15605038), was subsequently moved to Irish Town and, after a collision (2016), was moved to Pearse Park.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Jun/2021 14:33:43

    Aha! James Fiz Gerald, well known Merchant and typing error, is in the 1911 census, so we are before that date, it has to be 1907.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 01/Jun/2021 21:14:15

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Thanks for the memorial fountain info. It seems an odd bit of planning to put the two features so close together.