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Mrs. Browner of Adelaide Road in Dublin dressed up in her finery to pose for Arthur Henri in his studio in Waterford for this fine portrait. Older ladies tended to dress in black as a matter of course, but were these indeed “Widows Weeds”, or is Morning Mary in her dotage??

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Today we are posting our 3,000th image to Flickr, and at the rate of one per day that is a great piece of work! From the early days onwards with Carol posting and giving us all the benefit of her quirky humour, and on to the Marys we have had some mighty craic. Best of all has been the contributions to the research of the images, and the stories behind them. On behalf of all at the National Library, Carol, and the Marys, we say thank you for all who stayed the course!

Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Collection, Waterford

Date: Around 7 November 1905

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 1496

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 29/Apr/2021 07:43:33

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/ Congratulations on your first 3,000 images ... A M A Z I N G ! 7 November 1905 was a Tuesday ... Why would you put a sundial indoors ?!

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    sharon.corbet

    • 29/Apr/2021 07:51:40

    Mrs Mary Anne Browner was in Adelaide Road in the 1911, along with her husband.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 29/Apr/2021 08:01:59

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet So that should read "Not Widows Weeds"????

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    Foxglove

    • 29/Apr/2021 08:25:38

    can't see a shadow from the sundial - the photo is timeless ! possibly also wins "best hat" comp

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 29/Apr/2021 08:46:43

    www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/ You asked, "Why would you put a sundial indoors ?!" The most obvious answer is, so Irish can tell what time it is, when they turn the light on. Maybe the clever photographer used the sundial not so much as a prop but to determine where to position the studio light, based upon the shadow cast on the sundial. A possibility.

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    John Spooner

    • 29/Apr/2021 08:53:40

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Indoors? can't you see the trees and flowers in the background?

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    John Spooner

    • 29/Apr/2021 09:02:50

    Mr John Browner, of 29 Adelaide road, Dublin, was an executor of the will of a Mr George Kelly (Freeman's Journal - Tuesday 07 April 1903) Although in small ads for property in 1904 his address is either number 20 or 30 Adelaide Road. He seems to be a letting agent or lawyer. PS The consensus is 20

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    Wendy:

    • 29/Apr/2021 09:03:52

    Congrats on reaching 3.000 Always of interest; I'm more than happy to "stay the course"!

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    John Spooner

    • 29/Apr/2021 09:22:36

    From the Marriages column of the Weekly Irish Times - Saturday 14 September 1907

    BROWNER and M'GRATH - Sepember 3rd 1907 at the Church of the Catholic University, St,. Stephen's Green, S., Dublin,by the Rev. James Sherwin, C.C., J.C. Browner, second son of John Browner, Stormville, Adelaide Road, to Margaret (Maggie), only son of the late John Keir M'Grath and of Mrs. M'Grath, 129 Quay, Waterford
    So there's a tenuous Waterford connection, but no mention of Mrs Browner, and it suggests Mr Browner senior is still alive (no 'late') . Edit: he was appointed to the magistracy in December 1907 PS I'm going to rename my house Stormville

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    John Spooner

    • 29/Apr/2021 09:35:38

    In the same month (Sept 18th 1907) another son, A. J Browner, son of John Browner of Stormville, Adelaide Road, married Fanny Norris at Ballyduff, Co Waterford. Again a Wterford connection and again no mention of Mrs Browner senior. (Irish Independent - Thursday 19 September 1907)

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    suckindeesel

    • 29/Apr/2021 09:51:27

    How about civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marri... ?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 29/Apr/2021 09:57:10

    Per the census linked above by https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet, Mary Anne Browner was 57 in 1911, so 51 here, so "older ladies" is a bit harsh. Very possible that she is not in black at all, the fur may be brown, and the dress any dark shade.

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    John Spooner

    • 29/Apr/2021 10:01:55

    The wife of a John Browner of 50 Dawson St had a son on 18th December 1883 (announced in Freeman's Journal) . The son could well be J C Browner, the John Browner who gave evidence at a court case in 1902, giving his age as 18. The father John Browner was described as 'formerly of Oaklands, New Ross'. Another Waterford connection.

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    John Spooner

    • 29/Apr/2021 10:14:21

    A name at last - from a sad death notice for Mary Elizabeth, dearly beloved child of Mary A Browner and John Browner, aged 13 months (Freeman's Journal - Thursday 02 September 1880) And from that, an 1878 marriage notice,

    BROWNER and BROWNE - Oct 27, at the church of St Andrew, Westland-row, by the Rev. M Keon, CC, John, eldest son of Mr Philip Browner, Oaklands, New Ross, to Mary A., only daughter of Mr William Browne, Clarendon-street, Dublin.
    (Freeman's Journal - Saturday 02 November 1878)

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 29/Apr/2021 10:15:31

    Flickr is sometimes creepier in sepia! Mrs Browner / née Browne looking even more brown outdoors - https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/51146018551/

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    an poc

    • 29/Apr/2021 10:34:30

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner 129 Quay - that was next door to Bassett & Meredith Wine Merchants, previously featured

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    sharon.corbet

    • 29/Apr/2021 10:36:30

    They were in Arnott Street in 1901, where there are three children - Charles, Alphonsus Joseph and John Christropher,

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    sharon.corbet

    • 29/Apr/2021 10:43:35

    Looking at the records, Charles was born 17th December 1881, at Sandymount Rd., Alphonsus was born 10th November 1885 at Sandymount Ave., and John Christopher was born 18th December 1883 at Dawson St.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 29/Apr/2021 10:46:15

    The record of her death in 1935 says she lived another 30 years after this photo, address still 20 Adelaide Road. Margaret Browner, daughter-in-law, present. Husband John died in 1919 aged 62, son AJ present.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 29/Apr/2021 10:48:32

    Once they got to 20 Adelaide Rd. though, they stayed. John Browner died aged 62 in 1919, whereas Mary Anne died in 1935 aged 84.

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    John Spooner

    • 29/Apr/2021 11:05:52

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley That address ties up with the John Browner (JC) aged 18 who gave evidence in the 1902 court case who in 1902 allowed his name to be used in promoting "Dr Williams' pink pills for pale people". The promotion describes an interview/interrogation by a "reporter" in a "cosy little sitting room" at his residence in Arnott Street.

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    Swordscookie

    • 29/Apr/2021 11:23:11

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ "Pink Pills for Pale People";-). I love it but what do ruddy people like me take???

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    John Spooner

    • 29/Apr/2021 11:41:39

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ You need to get a job in a bank. The article put the reason for John Browner's malaise to "considerable amount of confinement to a desk". His colleagues noticed he had become delicate looking, and instead of being tired and jovial with "a very fine colour", he had a tired and weary expression. But after a few doses of Dr Williams' pink pills the spots and eruptions on his skin disappeared and his formerly healthy colour returned. One detail I missed first time was that it was his mother who heard of the pills being very beneficial in cases such as his and purchased a box for him.

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    John Spooner

    • 29/Apr/2021 11:45:26

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Williams%27_Pink_Pills_for_Pale...

    Coated in pink-coloured sugar, an analysis of the pills conducted in 1909 for the British Medical Association revealed them to contain sulphate of iron, potassium carbonate, magnesia, powdered liquorice, and sugar. Approximately one third of the iron sulphate in the pills had oxidised in the sampling analysed, leading to the statement that the pills had been "very carelessly prepared".[10] The formula went through several changes, and at one stage included the laxative aloe, the major ingredient of Beecham's Pills. The Pills were finally withdrawn from the market in the 1970s

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    derangedlemur

    • 29/Apr/2021 14:29:32

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley I see you're way ahead of me. I was coming to say the dress could be red and the fur brown and we'd be none the wiser.

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    suckindeesel

    • 29/Apr/2021 15:57:00

    Husband John was born in Co. Wexford and was a "Solicitors Managing Clerk and J P" account riding to 1911 census

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    Bernard Healy

    • 29/Apr/2021 16:43:49

    Congrats on 3,000 images. I went looking for her father's death and found it in 1882 civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/death... Can anyone read what his profession is? ?oo? Closer

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    Bernard Healy

    • 29/Apr/2021 16:54:18

    1944 Death Notice for her son - John C Browner, opera singer. Obituary "The late Mr Browner was well-known in Cork, Limerick and Waterford." Wild guess: Could it be that she was visiting Waterford in her finery to hear her son perform?

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    Bernard Healy

    • 29/Apr/2021 17:22:35

    Okay - a little more on the opera connection. Several mentions of John C Browner (Tenor) & a Dermot Browner (Bass) arrow.tudublin.ie/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1091&co... performing on RTE Radio. We known that John C is an opera singer. And this is his marriage cert. civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marri... Dermot Browner was his son: civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth... A bit of googling turns over several mentions of Dermot Browner as being active as an opera singer - including this: operainireland.wordpress.com/1947-samson-et-dalila-saint-... He also had at least one record to his name: www.johnsbookshop.com/index.php/products/dermot-browner-t... And here's more info - Dermot Browner moved to America. His cousin Alison Browner is an opera singer based in Germany. operainireland.wordpress.com/1946-spring-season-dgos/ Browner lives nowadays in Florida and has happy memories of the production. ‘I know I was surprised to be cast in the part as I was inexperienced in opera. Frankly, I found Wagner’s music difficult to sing and it took me some time to master it. But the critics were kind and said I performed well. It was obvious to us all that Robert Parker was past his prime as a singer, yet by sheer acting ability he got through the evening. He was a true professional.’ Dermot Browner was born in Dublin in March 1916, the only son of JC Browner. He was twenty-six when he started his vocal training and before long was winning cups and medals at the Feis Ceoil. In 1944, he made his operatic debut with the Dublin Operatic Society and three years later achieved a personal ambition when he sang Mephistopheles in “Faust”, a role in which he had long admired his father. ‘I could not hope to emulate him as an actor for he was truly superb,’ he recalls. ‘Instead, I was happy to rely on my own interpretation.’ He did not pursue a singing career in Ireland but went to America to take up a business appointment and stayed on for thirty years instead of the intended year. A regular visitor home, he usually stays in Dublin with his sister Kitty Browner who has fond memories of both Dermot and her father in opera. ‘I saw my father as Mephistopheles shortly before his death and to me his voice was as good as ever,’ she said. ‘We were raised in a musical home and I do recall him accompanying himself on the piano in the mornings. It was a pity that none of his records really did him justice. We were all very proud of course when Dermot sang his first Mephistopheles.’ Their cousin Alison Browner, the Dublin-born mezzo-soprano, would also sing a leading role with the DGOS in the 1990s, as well as with the Wexford Festival. She is also a concert artist of note and in demand internationally. Alison’s Covent Garden debut in the ’80s was a profound success. The above was written in 1998, so one assumes that Dermot has died since then.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 29/Apr/2021 18:14:21

    Alison Browner at wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alison_Browner

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 29/Apr/2021 20:48:24

    So who/which are these characters? A few weeks earlier in September 1905 - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000591714 (+ 2 similar)

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    O Mac

    • 29/Apr/2021 21:09:03

    I like the model dorsal fin.

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    suckindeesel

    • 29/Apr/2021 21:26:27

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/51146386997/in/dateposted/ Not so drab, after all Every sundial needs a motto, how about "Horas non numero nisi serenas".

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    qygqmhoe7

    • 13/Jun/2021 14:53:16

    BeachcomberAustralia the man on the right is Thomas Cooney, my gggrandfather, born June 2nd 1875, April 2 1955. No info on other two, but elder is prob John Browner, husband of Mrs Browne, and younger is prob his Johnnie (JC) Browner ...or Alphonsus, another son. Browner and Cooney info here: homepage.eircom.net/~johnbquigley/GenealogyPage1.htm#Cooney

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 14/Jun/2021 07:00:37

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Is that right? The gentleman on the right looks to be in his 60s in 1905 - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000591714