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Where: Leinster, Carlow, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1910

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A very busy scene on Main Street, Bagenalstown in Co. Carlow. Lots of horse and carts, bicycles, creels, a lady in black waiting for the pub to open and for me, the “pièce de resistance”, the two ladies in the horse and trap on an outing to town!

Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Circa 1865 1905-1914

NLI Ref: L_CAB_09315

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    Swordscookie

    • 18/Mar/2021 08:50:45

    Ta madra ann!

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    Foxglove

    • 18/Mar/2021 09:04:10

    ta madadh ann ... fosta

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    e0nn

    • 18/Mar/2021 09:12:48

    That would be a great image with modern gear ... amazing

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    Steve Bowbrick

    • 18/Mar/2021 09:17:11

    And there’s a child, in a white hat, with her back to us, in the trap with the ladies!

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 18/Mar/2021 09:20:50

    ... and a Dog and a Tobacco Factory but no Clock !

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    derangedlemur

    • 18/Mar/2021 09:26:38

    No streetview yet: Better fix that: goo.gl/maps/TJ2SJGgYgA4ufzJd9

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Mar/2021 09:29:56

    Long skirts, big hats. RIC man with a forage cap. First impression, 1900-1910.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 18/Mar/2021 09:29:58

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Or back a couple of paces? goo.gl/maps/cfHHjEM4RGWQXRyv7

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    derangedlemur

    • 18/Mar/2021 09:30:03

    It's a pity you can't plonk a "you are here" pin on the OSI map share. Also a pity that geohive has fallen over trying to share the map.

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    derangedlemur

    • 18/Mar/2021 09:34:29

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Yes Indeed. In fact, we can get it even closer by retreating to the middle of the intersection and then zooming in, as it gives us the same foreshortening. goo.gl/maps/NGfKQhzXXC6jUB9w6 (Ideally it would be from further back, but the crossroads is dog-legged so it spoils the angle) We must try that trick more often; I hadn't noticed before that the streetview zoom gave a different effect to just magnifying.

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    suckindeesel

    • 18/Mar/2021 09:56:28

    O'Neills tobacco factory 1860 - 1927 www.bagenalstownparish.ie/2010/11/the-o’neill-family-an... produced high quality plug tobacco but didn't keep up with the introduction of flake and cigarette tobacco. The RIC officers are again present in this street scene. The cart filled with granite blocks from the local Boherduff quarry on its way to the stone yard.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Mar/2021 10:41:19

    I see Connolly (left) and Barry (right) in the 1911 census , but not Lawler ( right beyond Barry in the photo). 1901 census seems to be missing this page. Ah, it is listed as Bagenalstown Rural. Bagenalstown Rural. Still no Lawler, Connolly and Barry there.

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    John A. Coffey

    • 18/Mar/2021 10:44:03

    Muine Bheag or ....... carlow-nationalist.ie/2013/09/17/bagenalstown-settle-name/

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    suckindeesel

    • 18/Mar/2021 11:01:33

    Signs for both Pullars and Prescott Dye Works. Is that cart on left filled with dirty carpets for cleaning at one of these works? The one carelessly thrown on the ground beside cart would imply they are for cleaning. No sign any street lighting or telegraph poles. I thought Bagnellstown had gas street lighting by 1900. Carlow town had electric by then. The 25-in (1905) shows a gas works in the town.

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    cargeofg

    • 18/Mar/2021 11:16:58

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] There is a lamp post on the corner by the Tobacco Factory.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 18/Mar/2021 11:24:58

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Barry is there in 1901. Don’t have time to dig into the census myself today though.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 18/Mar/2021 12:16:39

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley I've had a look at the 1911 Buildings Return that places the Courthouse at No 6 & the Post Office at No 25. Looking at the 25" OS map I've marked on the photo where those buildings are. Assuming the Census house numbers are done in order then it looks like he began numbering on the left hand side of the street, increasing as he comes toward us, and then moved to the right hand of the street, increasing as he goes away from us. This is incorrect, I think. That makes the Courthouse & Post Office fit in the right places. However, that means that the Barry family in the Census can't be living on the right of the street. CORRECTION We can fit Connolly in House 2 & the Court House in House 6 if we assume that he numbered the left hand side of the street, increasing as he moves away from us. Then he comes back to our end of the street to number the right hand side, increasing as he moves away from us. Note- In the 1901 Census building return, the Post Office and Court House are placed in adjacent numbers. That doesn't seem right. I trust the 1911 Census building return more.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Mar/2021 12:59:02

    From the archive, L_ROY_10416 is a reverse view. The man in the cap and light coat is still painting that butchers shop from a ladder, so same day Also the same day L_ROY_10786, similar view to todays, except we can see that the Tweed shop at right is Dorans. Dorans are in both the 1901 and 1911 censusseses.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Mar/2021 13:13:43

    L_ROY_10417, next door in the catalogue to that reverse view, was featured here before: Market Square, Bagenalstown, Co. Carlow, late 19th century Only better dating clue there was an Ingersoll 5/- watch sign, suggesting 1905 on. And now, in megazoom, I see the painter on his ladder, so that one is the same day too.

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    suckindeesel

    • 18/Mar/2021 13:18:17

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Yes, I see it now. So 1900 onwards

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    suckindeesel

    • 18/Mar/2021 13:37:01

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Definitely Ingersol 5/- watch https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/51049210572/in/dateposted/ From Wikipedia: "In 1904 Ingersoll opened a store in London, England. In 1905 Robert sailed to England and introduced the Crown pocket watch for 5 shillings, which was the same value as $1 at the time. These were made by a British subsidiary, Ingersoll Ltd, initially assembled from imported parts, and later made entirely in their London factory. These watches were made until the late 1920s" The watches were made from stamped parts with no jewels, hence the price. So, 1905 onwards. Same guy on ladder is still painting, so looks like all the companion shots are from same day. Those RIC officers seem to be dogging the photographer, they always seem to show up in these street scenes. No sign of "motor spirit" or of any motorised vehicles suggests not too later than 1905.

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    Swordscookie

    • 18/Mar/2021 20:26:58

    I/we got hooked on this about 10 years ago because of the photographs initially, then Carol Maddock's personality, quirky jokes and fast responses and then for the joy of the chase. The search for details, identifying the residents, the occupants, the location has all continued with some of the best entertainment on the internet! I only wish I could contribute in the way so many of you do!

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    a.bierstein

    • 18/Mar/2021 20:54:49

    If you look to the right hand side, you see a bicycle with pneumatic tires, built since 1900. And there is a bicycle driver in the middle of the road, also with a modern bike with pneumatic tires. 1910 there will be a motorcar on the picture. The date of the picture is about 1905.

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    suckindeesel

    • 18/Mar/2021 22:19:17

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I'd put the introduction of the pneumatic cycle tyre a little earlier than 1900. John Boyd Dunlop (1840-1921) is usually recognised as the inventor of the first pneumatic or inflatable cycle tyre. He was granted a patent in 1888 and production began in the 1890s in Belfast.

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    suckindeesel

    • 18/Mar/2021 22:21:12

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy The spire was, as usual, built later. The only ref I can find says mid 1800s, so no help.

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    Salty Windows

    • 23/Mar/2021 23:10:46

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] You are right about the clock. There is one on streetview but it's clearly a much later addition. www.google.ie/maps/@52.7021171,-6.9560247,3a,75y,184.27h,...

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    Salty Windows

    • 23/Mar/2021 23:22:17

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Bit of a long shot but there is a lady wearing a facemask just beneath the guy painting the shop. You might have to download the full size to see her. Surely not the time of the Spanish flu?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 24/Mar/2021 05:36:28

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gerrydunne Interesting observation!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 24/Mar/2021 14:20:35

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/gerrydunne Interesting from our friends at https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlmhmd from 1918, seemingly not that uncommon at all https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlmhmd/49669798148

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    suckindeesel

    • 24/Mar/2021 17:11:27

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Very similar to today's advice, but missed out on the hand washing, must work as I don't see much mention of a Flue epidemic this winter

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    Salty Windows

    • 05/Apr/2021 23:09:17

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Here's an enhanced close up of the tobacco factory. The object sticking out at the corner is a bust of a man in a turban: twitter.com/RobCross247/status/1378338715903348738/photo/1 The factory closed in 1927 but the bust was still there long after that. I remember it from my childhood. Interesting article on the factory here: www.bagenalstownparish.ie/2010/11/the-o%E2%80%99neill-fam...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 06/Apr/2021 05:30:49

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gerrydunne Thank you.

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    suckindeesel

    • 06/Apr/2021 11:31:45

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gerrydunne] I wonder who the bust was of, something to do with tobacco? I remember going for plug tobacco for my father as a child, an ounce of Yatchtsman for 2/6 jamesfox.ie/products/yachtsman-plug