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Where: Leinster, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1971

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To the south side of Dublin City today with the usual southside bad parking and indifference to the rule of law! (a Northsider speaks :-) Herbert Street service station with a great variety of car makes and registration for those car nerds among us!

+++ UPDATE +++
An embarrassment of riches of 1960s and 1970s cars here. And the nostalgia for free on-street parking in Dublin was strong with this one! The garage site itself was originally the garden of the corner house of Herbert Place in 1900s and 1930s maps (thank you, Niall McAuley). The modern office building that replaced the garage was built in 1996 – a four storey over basement building, with a mere 8 car parking spaces...

Photographers: Unknown

Original Researcher: Valerie Houlden

Collection: Dublin Corporation Photographic Collection

Date: ca. 1960-1980 1971

NLI Ref: NPA DCC 65

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 08/Mar/2021 08:45:07

    Ooo - there's an old Rolls Royce peeping around the corner ...

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    derangedlemur

    • 08/Mar/2021 08:58:56

    Streetview: goo.gl/maps/XWBgVWtCAWDizwM1A I never knew there was once a petrol station there.

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    derangedlemur

    • 08/Mar/2021 09:04:15

    If that's a Triumph Dolomite driving away from the camera, minimum date is 1972.

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    derangedlemur

    • 08/Mar/2021 09:08:11

    There's a 1970-1980 Mercedes wheel trim visible between the Triumph and the Morris, if anyone can date it a bit more accurately.

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    cargeofg

    • 08/Mar/2021 09:13:02

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] It is a Triumph 2000 MK 1 On the subject of Esso petrol stations and also Shell have a look at The Chris Barker collection He has two there from Dublin that could do with a bit of further info please.

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    cargeofg

    • 08/Mar/2021 09:19:01

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Yes it is a Rolls Royce. Shame the leaves of the tree obscure the mascot. It would be similar to 25/30 model. That type of Rolls Royce had a good airing in Downton Abbey

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Mar/2021 09:22:17

    TZE 316 is a Dublin reg in the sequence AZE 1 to YZE 999 (May 1963 – Jun 1964). PossiblyJan 1964, new year. NZI 7 is later, AZI 1 to YZI 999 (May 1965 – Jun 1966); XZL Beetle: AZL 1 to YZL 999 (Jun 1967 – May 1968); The winner is 7678 RI : 1 RI to 9999 RI (Feb – May 1970);

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    Paddywhack56

    • 08/Mar/2021 09:23:26

    Fiat 124 dates the photo from sometime after 1966. According to Wikipedia 7678 RI would be a 1970 plate.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Mar/2021 09:27:53

    The building which now occupies the garage site is Crescent Hall, built 1996, an inoffensive if somewhat bland Georgian pastiche.

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    cargeofg

    • 08/Mar/2021 09:31:27

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Triumph 2000 MK1 got a face lift in 1969 to become the MK 2. Rear end was also restyled on the saloons but MK 1 styling was retained for the rear of MK 2 estates.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Mar/2021 09:43:21

    The garage site is just a garden for the corner house of Herbert Place in the 1900ish 25" and the 1930s 6" Cassini.

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    cargeofg

    • 08/Mar/2021 09:46:16

    www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/48925560242/in/photol... NZI 7 is a Ford Corsair as is the car in the lower left foreground.

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    DannyM8

    • 08/Mar/2021 09:49:08

    I fondly remember free parking!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Mar/2021 10:02:05

    Nearby, probably the same date: (no help from the regs though): NPA DCC 69 Also nearby, Warrington Place: NPA DCC 60 which includes a late Renault 10, 1192 Z, from sequence 1 Z to 9999 Z (Feb – Jun 1971);

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 08/Mar/2021 10:10:38

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] And the Dogs fondly remember free barking! There is a remarkable difference with these nearby photos and Elinor Wiltshire's 1969 (a few years earlier?) almost traffic-free streets. Was Elinor there on a Sunday? https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/33938985708/

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    derangedlemur

    • 08/Mar/2021 10:18:33

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I was thinking that looked Ford UK shaped, but I just couldn't place it.

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    cargeofg

    • 08/Mar/2021 10:25:05

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Merc Could be a W114 series car they were made up to Nov 1975 then the W123 series replaced them. If we could see the front of the wing that would tell us for sure. W114 had a chrome headlamp rim and Indicator lens came around on to wing on W123 series cars.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Mar/2021 10:33:30

    The Esso sign is visible in the background of this nearby (mislabelled) shot of 18-19 Warrington Place: NPA DCC 61 which features some of the same cars as 60 linked above. Latest reg in the whole sequence from NPA DCC 60 to 69 is 1192 Z from Feb 1971.

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    O Mac

    • 08/Mar/2021 10:54:59

    Surprised no one has mentioned that this church, Saint Stephens, is well known to us Dubs as the "Pepper Canister"

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Mar/2021 11:20:01

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] And if you walk around the Pepper Canister 3 times anticlockwise, you will meet the devil.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Mar/2021 11:24:13

    This Elinor Wiltshire from 1969 shows a different angle on the garage: WIL 71[1]

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    Carol Maddock

    • 08/Mar/2021 11:34:53

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ We were lazy local kids, so we used cycle around it! But we did at least up the amount of circuits to 10... :)

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 08/Mar/2021 11:37:57

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Interesting - see the 'No Parking' signs outside the church. Then have a look at this one - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000747654/HierarchyTree?hiera... Are these photos before the No Parking signs and before Elinor's 1969 photos?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Mar/2021 11:59:29

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I see the back of the No Parking sign there, it's just that everyone is ignoring it.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 08/Mar/2021 12:02:56

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Criminals!

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    derangedlemur

    • 08/Mar/2021 12:15:09

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley That's the Black Church, not the Pepper Canister.

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    derangedlemur

    • 08/Mar/2021 12:16:31

    Here. you can see if it also works with streetview: goo.gl/maps/MGf271sCGBmPzz2t8 It should do since as everyone knows, computers are tools of the devil. You can prove this quite easily by immersing them in holy water, which drives out the animating spirit.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Mar/2021 13:00:08

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Well known fact about the Pepper Canister, too.

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    derangedlemur

    • 08/Mar/2021 13:32:11

    What if you get a couple of people to go three times widdershins round both of them at midnight - which one does the devil show up at? Edit: I'm guessing the Black Church, since wikipedia is unaware of this attribute of the Pepper Canister, and I think we all know who's behind wikipedia (take a look at conservapedia if you're in any doubt).

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    Carol Maddock

    • 08/Mar/2021 14:37:21

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Before you start any more conspiracy theories, it was one of my big brothers who told me this about the Pepper Canister, so it must be true!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Mar/2021 14:38:47

    Telephone 61006, according to an ad in the Gaelic Weekly News of November 2nd 1968. Similar ad in the September 28th 1968 edition.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Mar/2021 14:47:08

    Likewise Trinity News, 9th November 1967.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Mar/2021 14:55:11

    According to the free bits of the Company Check at solocheck.ie: Herbert Service Garage Limited was set up on Monday the 15th of February 1971. Their current address is 1 High Street, Dublin 8., Dublin 8,Dublin, and the company status is Dissolved with the company closing on Saturday the 19th of August 2000. None of which tempts me to blow €3 to learn more. The CRO has the same info in a more official guise, so the above may be true.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Mar/2021 15:13:58

    So the garage was around in the 60s, and in 1971 it was set up as a limited company. I think the 2000 date is when someone went to tidy up the paperwork, maybe after the owner died?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Mar/2021 15:29:14

    From the Irish Newspaper Archive, Irish Independent, March 22nd 1978: The leak was from a tank at the 'Herbert Service' Garage at Mount Street Crescent and yesterday Esso workers took away the faulty tank for examination. April 1965: ...made to the Corporation to extend Garage for Herbert Services Garage, at Mount street Crescent. -Dublin 2 I also see car for sale ads from 1967, 1969.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Mar/2021 15:43:27

    This image from the RTE Stills Library is rather lo-res, but seems to show an Esso sign in the background in 1952/53.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Mar/2021 15:55:44

    Ah, before Herbert Service Garage Limited, the CRO has an individual business record for Reg. Name HERBERT SERVICE GARAGE Type Business name - Individual Status Normal Registered on 02/09/1965 Next Annual Return Due Date --- Reg. Address HERBERT LANE, HERBERT STREET, CO. DUBLIN, DUBLIN

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Mar/2021 16:04:01

    Thinking about it, I think the company activity around 95-96 probably relates to the fact that the current building went up in 1996 and they bought the site at that time.

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    suckindeesel

    • 08/Mar/2021 17:11:56

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Bland it may be, but was up for sale back in 2014 for €1.65m, and included the following blurb: "It is a four storey over basement building. Built in 1996, its floors are open plan and adaptable unlike all of the period buildings which surround it." It included 8 car parking spaces, less than what's parked in our photo. Also lauded are the many local public transport facilities. No mentions of any on-street parking. Built by the "famous" Johnny Ronan. The service/petrol station is a rarity in Dublin City nowadays, you wouldn't want to run low or get a puncture. City centre property is now too valuable for such use. Even in the suburbs nothing is safe, I see that famous watering hole The Goat Grill is up for development to include apartments etc.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 08/Mar/2021 20:36:45

    Flickr is sometimes amazing! People still fondly remember the 'Tiger in the Tank' - in 2016 via https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/29334827134/

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    RETRO STU

    • 08/Mar/2021 20:38:47

    Back of the Pepper Pot church www.google.com/maps/@53.3366077,-6.2433669,3a,75y,293.59h...

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    suckindeesel

    • 08/Mar/2021 22:53:19

    No sign of any parking meters, let alone "Pay and Display" which came later. I think parking meters were introduced in the city centre in January 1970. Our photo would have been outside that area, but no doubt it was not too long before it too also benefited from this modern form of highway robbery.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 09/Mar/2021 09:11:32

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Hello Disco Stu! :)

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    RETRO STU

    • 09/Mar/2021 12:28:37

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Never liked discos, I'm more of a retro type. Hence Retro Stu in deference to Disco Stu of the Simpsons. (lol)

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    Carol Maddock

    • 09/Mar/2021 16:24:44

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Good catch on the 18-19 Warrington Place photo! I've changed it in our catalogue, so it'll be correct for posterity... :) (Correct from tomorrow)