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When: 24 May 1951

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Mr. John A. Costello looks decidedly discombobulated as he is escorted by Church and State to some event in Donegal. The title suggests that he has a guard of honour of soldiers, but those are actually some of An Garda Síochána's finest. Their uniform, with the closed collars, should be some guide to the latest date this could have been taken? Where, why and what?

Photographers: Denis Tynan 1923-2010

Collection: Tynan Photographic Collection

Date: Circa 1950-1960 Thursday, 24 May 1951

NLI Ref: NPA TYN651

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 15/Jan/2021 09:32:26

    The car in the central background with split windscreen and the one one the right side (headlights) are clues. More obvious than uniform collars.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 15/Jan/2021 09:41:13

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/cassidyphotography You may be right but cars could be around for 30 years whereas the collars changed on a specific date and thereafter the Gardai had an open revere to their tunic with a collar and tie!

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 15/Jan/2021 09:41:15

    A pair of Jowett Javelins - not 100% sure ?? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jowett_Javelin#

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 15/Jan/2021 09:46:21

    No! Not Jowetts. catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000736455/HierarchyTree

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    suckindeesel

    • 15/Jan/2021 09:55:17

    AG between 1926 - 1932

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 15/Jan/2021 10:02:32

    Streetview - goo.gl/maps/v1XbGM1xLpfwEaey9 Mr Costello gave a speech across the street behind - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000736457/HierarchyTree See - goo.gl/maps/hB7U42kuTJP6SdmL9

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    cargeofg

    • 15/Jan/2021 10:14:42

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Car in your link looks like a 1940s Desoto S-8 or a Plymouth. There were a lot of American cars of that 40s era in Ireland and in use right through to 1960s

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 15/Jan/2021 10:27:24

    Well, I served in the Army 13.5 years. I changed NOMEX flight suits twice . . . and during prior service, went from Khaki to OD . . . So, my experience is that uniforms do not change so frequently to predict age. I suspect cars in Ireland, of the past, would be around as long as they are currently in Tasmania. www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ 1926 - 1932 too early based upon cars . . . I am guessing 1948 to 1954.

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    suckindeesel

    • 15/Jan/2021 10:54:18

    Uniform updated 1954 www.rte.ie/archives/collections/news/21245289-new-garda-u...

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    cargeofg

    • 15/Jan/2021 10:59:14

    catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000736461/HierarchyTree Car with ZC 876? reg number. ZC ran from March 1937 to Jan 1940

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    aidanhodson

    • 15/Jan/2021 11:26:38

    John A Costello was Taoiseach from 48 to 51 and again 54 to 57. The linked photo has a sign Failte a Thaoisigh across the building with what look like election photos below. Probably during election campaign 57?

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    Bernard Healy

    • 15/Jan/2021 13:08:29

    Can't help with the dating, but the most likely identification for the priest is John Canon Cunningham who was Parish Priest of Iniskeel (Glenties) for the entire period that Costello was Taoiseach. He died in Glenties in Feb 1958 aged 81. I haven't been able to find a photo for comparison.

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    suckindeesel

    • 15/Jan/2021 14:19:43

    The companion photos look very familiar, we've been here before, maybe got a date then. "Flooded streets in Glenties" and "Highland Hotel" ring a bell. Also lots of cars present

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    cargeofg

    • 15/Jan/2021 15:17:28

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Yes we have. I had a look back at "Flooded streets in Glenties" and its companions to see if any cars were present in both photos.

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    suckindeesel

    • 15/Jan/2021 17:29:32

    Based on Garda uniform (no later than '54) and presence of election posters, could be either 1951 (he lost) or 1954 (he won) There must be some record of his visit, anybody got access to local or national newspaper archives?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 15/Jan/2021 19:50:11

    {Aside Hoping the clergyman is an abbot - then we'd have ... ... Abbott & Costello.

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    maczeug2

    • 15/Jan/2021 20:23:00

     Nice image! ;-)

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    John Spooner

    • 15/Jan/2021 20:30:11

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Cars? Collars? Pah! [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] The Derry Journal agrees with you Derry Journal - Friday 25 May 1951. Derry Journal - Friday 25 May 1951 It has been taken from a higher viewpoint, but within a split second of Tynan's photo - the feet and heads of the three principal subjects are in the same position. The lengthy account of the evening's activities would suggest they were taken not long after "half-six". At the same time at Costello's meeting there was a Fianna Fail meeting a few hundred yards away, which led to "a certain liveliness in the main street" at the conclusion of proceedings, and batons were drawn.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 15/Jan/2021 21:03:47

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Terrific find! So Thursday 24 May 1951.

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    John Spooner

    • 15/Jan/2021 21:21:15

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia at about 18:30 Peeler news: on page 3 of the paper, "Congratulations to John E. Ennis, Glenties, who has passed the examination for promotion to sergeant". I wonder if he's in the photo.

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    suckindeesel

    • 15/Jan/2021 22:25:30

    My name is Maureen Monahan, my age is 93 I had a little baby that they never brought to me, It might have been a daughter, it might have been a son, I never got to see it so it could be either one. If a boy I named you Paddy If a girl I named you Clare And yes you had a father, His name is Jack O'Hare. As for you old Mother Ireland. How could you treat us so, When we were young and pregnant and Had nowhere else to go. So farewell little Paddy, Farewell little Clare, If I'd known what might have happened O'd have never left you there. I'd have sold myself for pennies. To sailors on the street, But by God and all that's Holy. You'd have had enough to eat. 800 little babies, And children 8 or 9, All starving in their little cots and One of them was mine. And when you drew your final breath, In the workhouse cold and dank,. They wrapped you in a shroud And threw you in a septic tank. Maggie Crehan

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 16/Jan/2021 08:25:29

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Well done John. Date revised.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 16/Jan/2021 08:28:33

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy Good call on John Canon Cunningham.

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    Swordscookie

    • 17/Jan/2021 19:49:35

    At first sight I though that the man in uniform behind John A was the local Garda Superintendent though the shirt and tie looked very dark for a Garda uniform. I then remembered that the Taoiseach would be accompanied by his Aide de Camp and this would appear to have been "Captain Mick Byrne" who was a prominent constituency worker for him! The local Super would appear to be the last man on the right hand file of Gardai although he could have been an Inspector as both uniforms were similar apart from rank markings! https://www.flickr.com/photos/cassidyphotography The closed collar these men were wearing was changed to an open revere with collar and tie in 1954 which means that the photo had to be taken prior to the change! There have been a number of changes since then too and they were not always an improvement!

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 18/Jan/2021 01:37:22

    www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie/ www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy/ "Derry Journal - Friday 25 May 1951" And, I guessed 1948 to 1954 . . . Not far off.