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We’ve been to Patrick Street in Cork before, including visits to the scene after the burning, but as this is the time of the anniversary of that burning, it seems appropriate to visit yet again. My late mother had a saying that Patrick Street would be the finest street in the land, if it didn’t have the bend in it! Given we seldom went to Cork, it didn’t make much sense to us, but may well have been true?
Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa1865 1898-1914
NLI Ref: L_ROY_01920
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Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa
NLI Ref: L_ROY_01920
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ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Flying fish!
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Pfft! it's obviously a Zeppelin.
derangedlemur
Electric lights and electrified trams. Someone will be able to date it from that.
derangedlemur
J. T. O'Connell was still living over the shop in 1901, at the age of 33.
Niall McAuley
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8468254@N02/ Tram services started at Christmas 1898
Niall McAuley
lots of straw boaters, ladies in blouses without coats: summertime
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
... and a northerly wind!
Niall McAuley
01919 next door in the archive is a different day, earlier I think. Lots of flags out in that one which I think we tied to a big Exhibition previously. In todays shot, at left before the arcade, the top floor balcony has a photographic gallery to be let sign. in 01919 the signage says Brooke? Hughes/Guys. I will look in the street directories later an see if I can date the change in tenants.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
I bet the fish was battered and fried in the The Burning of Cork ...
cargeofg
Not a car or motor cycle to be seen. So we are in a very narrow time line here.
Niall McAuley
1897 guys has Hunter, Mrs, photographer at #28 above the Munster Warehouse Co.
Niall McAuley
1903 has Hughes Brooke photographer, as in 01919
Niall McAuley
likewise 1907
Niall McAuley
and 1910
Niall McAuley
and 1913
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley You also have Honey Photography a couple of doors up from Munster Cycle Co Ltd.
Niall McAuley
and 1916, beyond the possible range. so todays shot must be before 01919, and before 1903.
Niall McAuley
we dated earlier flaggy pics to a 1902 exhibition, so this is Summer 1899 to 1902.
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauleyI would second that date range. Working on that first cars were registered in 1903 and some cars and m/cycles were on the road un registered. No cars but the electric trams started 1898 and present.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Good catch! I think this one might be looking the other way (downstream!) on the same day. Mr French and his trusty tripod were up something very high, almost level with those electric lamps. At 12:59. - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000339139 Edit. - which is almost the same as this via [https://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/4427439354/] Edit 2 - Weird! The shop awnings have changed but the same fellow is still trying to cross the road in the foreground - a loitering photographic assistant? Definitely something fishy going on!
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
And a couple more from very high, reverse view. Was Mr French perhaps up on a mobile scaffold cart used for servicing those electric lamps and tram wires? NB water cart has been spraying water to keep the dust down (we had that before in Cork) and THE FISH is up on the right - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000324278 (at 13:45) catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000040376 (at 13:30?) Edit - these two photos are not the same day as each other; see flags and shadows. catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000040376 might be the same day as today's photo.
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley The internet, from a cursory inspection, seems to place the ladies' fashion between 1901 and 1910.
John Spooner
"Mr Brooke Hughes has just installed the most Modern and successful system for HIGH-CLASS PORTRAITURE, ELECTRIC AND DAYLIGHT STUDIOS. 28 Patrick-street, Cork." - Announcement in the Cork Examiner - Saturday 03 January 1903 (repeated regularly until April, then different wording until the end of 1904). There might have been earlier and later adverts, but coverage of the Cork Examiner in the BNA is sporadic - 1900-1901, 1903-1904. 1908-1912
suckindeesel
Has to be 1899 or later, given that service started winter 1898. Not our tram, but interesting: "There was substantial disruption to services and destruction of some tramcars during The Burning of Cork in December 1920. The events which occurred to the driver, John Hurley, conductor Alex Garvey and passengers on tramcar no 3 were recorded in the Cork Examiner: "Passengers by the last tram to St. Luke's Cross, which left the Statue at 9 p.m. on Saturday, had a rather eventful journey. The car had got about 60 or 70 yards beyond Empress Place police barracks when a number of men in police uniform, carrying carbines and accompanied by Auxiliaries in plain clothes, held it up. They ordered all the passengers off at the point of revolvers. Male passengers were somewhat roughly handled and then ordered to line up for search. Some few were inclined to run and a voice rang out: "I'll shoot anyone who runs." All then stopped but some shots were fired in the air while the searches were being conducted. In some cases when the search was completed the person searched was ordered home, getting a bit of a rough send-off. The tramcar was then broken in by the police and a rifle shot was discharged, the smell of powder permeating the air. The tramcar was brought back to the Statue by the driver and conductor who when it neared there were ordered off. It was later set on fire and completely destroyed."
suckindeesel
1902 video of Patrick's St mobile.twitter.com/RobCross247/status/1216066117107580929
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04/50706950983/in/dateposted/ A contrast of old and new. The Munster Arcade, on the left, was one of the many fine buildings destroyed in the burning of Cork, whose centenary it now is. Note the initials of its proprietors, Robertson, Ledlie, Ferguson and Company, on the upper balcony.
suckindeesel
Most of the buildings in this shot were destroyed in 1920, and were rebuilt in the mid 20s. Can anyone make out the number on the more distant tram? It sort of looks like "19", if so it would be from the second delivery in 1900.
silverio10
Buenas fotos antiguas .
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04] Looks like "10" or "JO" to me 🔎 Anyone know the story of this particular fish weathervane? I keep getting google results for a bigger one on St Anne's Church, Shandon - www.shandonbells.ie/history.html "... The fish shaped weather vane is a salmon, known locally as ‘de goldie fish’ and is over four meters long and painted in gold leaf. It symbolises the salmon fishing industry, which was very important to Cork and also the sign of a fish is very appropriate on a church as the fish is an early christian symbol for the name of the Lord. ..."
suckindeesel
The reason that Patricks St. is curved is that it, and other city centre streets, was originally a channel of the River Lee which was built over on arches in the late 1780s. www.corkpastandpresent.ie/places/stpatricksstreet/histori...
suckindeesel
The fishy weathervane could be on the roof of the old Royal Victoria Hotel, but can't get any leads.
O Mac
suckindeesel The fishyvane appears to be atop the Victoria Hotel catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000040376/MooviewerImg?mobile...
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03] Yes! Glimpsed here (before Hotel's glass porch) - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000337526 And with Hotel's glass porch and electric tram - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000321110 The Fish survived the Cork burning (as did the Hotel). See this image - www.irishexaminer.com/cms_media/module_img/3033/1516589_1... from a short history at www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20359349.html
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
There is a much earlier stereo pair from a similar angle which does not show The Fish (see chimney in left frame), but it does show that the lamp in the middle of the street was once a drinking fountain - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000565380