Mr. Mosley and staff at your service!

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Where: Leinster, County Kilkenny, Ireland

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Since we are on a run of buildings here is a shop, apparently in Waterford with the staff standing ready to serve! Mr. Mosley had a fine shop with plenty of frontage and even some sideage but where is/was it and and what did they do for a living?
Morning Mary was having some issues with WiFi earlier and though I did all this work already obviously it got lost out there in the ether. Apologies and especially to Oaktree Brian who noticed the lack of a title on the image.

Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford

Date: Between 1901 - 1954

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 0640

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    sharon.corbet

    • 01/Oct/2020 08:19:25

    Here is Clarence Mosley in the 1901 Census as "Watchmaker Jeweller and Electes Plates". He doesn't seem to be there in the 1911 Census, but it may be that they are just absent, as no. 12 only mentions Johanna Cleary, a "general domestic servant".

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    suckindeesel

    • 01/Oct/2020 08:31:10

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet "electroplating"?

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    sharon.corbet

    • 01/Oct/2020 08:32:29

    The Mosleys are in Tramore in 1911.

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    derangedlemur

    • 01/Oct/2020 08:55:24

    If that's Waterford, they're a car park now.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 01/Oct/2020 08:55:45

    Previously but later in 1928 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6272388588

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    derangedlemur

    • 01/Oct/2020 09:04:43

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Ah. They're a bank now.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 01/Oct/2020 09:07:20

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Is the Ulster Bank gone? It was still there in the 2017 Streetview.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 01/Oct/2020 09:09:13

    The rebuilt building (c. 1930?) is a similar height to the old one, but has only three floors instead of four.

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    derangedlemur

    • 01/Oct/2020 09:09:29

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet I assumed they were the other end of the street, having not looked very closely at the Ulster Bank to vet it for ancientness.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Oct/2020 09:12:22

    aka POOLEWP 0640, Mr. Mosely's Shop, 1901-1954

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Oct/2020 09:40:47

    The NIAH dates the Ulster Bank to c1915, but is obviously wrong given the beachcomber's pic linked above.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Oct/2020 10:01:39

    Here is a birth record for Clarence William, July 1864. Father James, Jewller and Watchmaker, 97 the Quay. I don't see a death record, so the family may have emigrated?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Oct/2020 10:03:24

    Here is a death record for Clarence's mother Jane Mosley in 1915 in Tramore, aged 92.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Oct/2020 10:06:10

    James, the da, died in 1887 at this address, son C.W. present.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 01/Oct/2020 10:08:57

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] They're buried in John's Hill (no. 141 here). Clarence died in 1953 aged 89.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Oct/2020 10:13:05

    Daughter Dorothy died in 1903 aged 9 from TB.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Oct/2020 10:15:09

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet The following record is for his parents, James and Jane plus two daughters.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 01/Oct/2020 10:18:12

    The second daughter, Evelyn Muriel was born in 1907.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Oct/2020 10:20:12

    Muriel from the 1911 census is Evelyn Muriel on her birth record.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Oct/2020 11:21:08

    At the extreme right in Exchange Street, we see a pub sign: JO Ale and Licensed to sell I don't see a match in either the 1901 or 1911 census for Exchange Street, in which the publicans listed are Geo McDonald and Patrick Cooke (1901) and James Cooke (1911)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Oct/2020 11:27:28

    No matching hits in the trade directories up to 1910 either. resources.waterfordcouncil.ie/records/web

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    sharon.corbet

    • 01/Oct/2020 11:33:48

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] The 1911 census seems to be bit messed up when it comes to Exchange St - possibly as it is in two different wards. You can add Mary McDonald to the publicans in 1911. (Not that it helps.)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Oct/2020 11:39:06

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet It suggests that todays shot is after 1911 to me. The 1928 shot is no help, all we can see of that Exchange Street building is that the sign now reads &SON

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 01/Oct/2020 11:54:26

    no quirky title today?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Oct/2020 11:55:52

    I assume the gentlemen in the street are the staff?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Oct/2020 12:01:46

    neighbour Poole Wp 0641 is the barque Solide, wrecked in 1921.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 01/Oct/2020 12:43:51

    I think it might be in the early 1890s - the bowler hats, small-peaked cap, the reflection of the sailing (not steamship) masts in the windows ... And an aside - found in this 1908 photo of the 'Bijou Shop' on the Quay, Waterford, the reflection of a camera, tripod, and a young-ish looking Mr Poole - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000592144

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    suckindeesel

    • 01/Oct/2020 13:12:47

    They generated their own electricity from 1892 powered by a Crossley gas engine on site. This was used for lighting and electroplating. That would be the shop staff on show, they also employed a large workshop staff to,the rear. Their pieces still show up for sale in the antiques trade. Their registered mark was MOSELY enclosed in an oval. The street lighting is still on gas, when did it change to electric?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Oct/2020 15:46:17

    Also nearby at POOLE_WP_0643 are the Dobbyns of Leoville dated maybe 1892-1895, but definitely before 1900. A Mr. Mosley, a rower in 1886, is mentioned in the comments: The Dobbyns

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 01/Oct/2020 15:47:37

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thank you for drawing my attention to the missing details. I was having trouble with my WiFi this morning and the details I thought I had inserted failed to load!

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    suckindeesel

    • 01/Oct/2020 16:52:23

    "JAMES MOSLEY & SONS, Watchmakers, Jewellers, Silversmiths, and Electroplaters, 97 and 98, Quay; and Exchange Street, Waterford. This thriving centre of commercial activity in the South of Ireland possesses no more attractive establishments than that conducted by Messrs. James Mosley And Sons, the well-known Watchmakers, Jewellers, and Silversmiths, 97 and 98, Quay, and Exchange Street, whose extended connection with the trade of the City amply justifies the prominence assigned to them in this work. The history of the house dates back to 1832, when it was founded by the grandfather of the present proprietor. The establishment is centrally situated on the Quay facing the river, and forms a noted feature of the attractions of this fine thoroughfare. The premises comprise two handsome and commadious shops, effectively decorated in black and gold, and appointed throughout in recherche style with elegant ebonized show cases and other fittings, designed to exhibit to the utmost advantage the magnificent stock of high-class goods submitted for inspection. The window frontage is exceptionally attractive, and displays in great profusion a choice assortment of highclass drawing-room clocks, gold and gem jewellery, diamond ornaments, watches, silver and electroplated goods for presentation, etc., of which special mention must be made of a fine service of plate, on view at the date of our visit, intended for presentation to a local minister, and gifts of a similar character for another gentleman in the district, the whole forming a display in no sense inferior to that of the leading West End establishments of the Metropolis itself. Special mention must be made of the magnificent display of diamond jewellery and ornaments, Messrs. Mosley purchasing entirely on cash terms, being enabled to offer exceptional advantages to buyers of these coveted and much-prized gems. Spacious workrooms in the rear are devoted to the operative departments of the business, an important feature of which is the total exclusion of apprentice labour in the establishment, none but experienced and practical workmen being employed, in order to ensure that the valuable watches and clocks entrusted to the firm for repairs, etc., shall not be placed in the hands of incompetent youths for the purpose of acquiring a knowledge of their art. In this respect we believe this house to be an exception to any other establishment in the kingdom. Additional workshops have recently been provided by Messrs. Mosley, and fully equipped with the newest and most improved plant for gilding and electroplating; the shafting, dynamos, and other machinery deriving motive power from a powerful Crossley's gas engine, the whole of the arrangements being the most complete of any provincial establishment in Ireland. The firm is also extensively engaged in the manufacture to order of plate for presentation, etc., a staff of experienced workmen being retained on the premises for this branch of the business. The establishment is lighted by electricity throughout, which is generated by the firm's own engine, and will at all times be found well worthy of the attention of visitors to the City." Dublin, Cork, and South of Ireland: A Literary, Commercial, and Social Review - 1892 pg 264 archive.org/details/dublincorkandso00unkngoog/page/n264/m...

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 01/Oct/2020 20:33:16

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Brilliant! And slightly spooky to see someone we have been talking about for 10 years. Edit: And another reflection of Mr Poole in the door of 'Le Bon Marche' - he does look young and snazzily dressed; I wonder if it is his son or an assistant, hence the error? - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000592141

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    suckindeesel

    • 01/Oct/2020 21:27:49

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Here he is again, there is a second pair of legs in the Bijou shot, his assistant or son? https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/50405127018/in/dateposted/

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    Niall McAuley

    • 01/Oct/2020 22:25:17

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] Arthur Henri was in the very first pic in this photostream! Who are they?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 02/Oct/2020 06:42:20

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Thanks Niall, I forgot that! He is pushing 50 there, which would make him 68-ish in 1908. It must be a son or assistant in the Bijou etc photos.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Oct/2020 14:16:55

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Bernard, the nephew on our right of the family shot, was also a photographer by the 1901 census. By 1911, Bertram and Vyvyan are Photographers, with Elizabeth and Violet as Photographer's Assistants.

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    suckindeesel

    • 02/Oct/2020 17:00:02

    Everything is Going to be All Right How should I not be glad to contemplate the clouds clearing beyond the dormer window and a high tide reflected on the ceiling? There will be dying, there will be dying, but there is no need to go into that. The poems flow from the hand unbidden and the hidden source is the watchful heart. The sun rises in spite of everything and the far cities are beautiful and bright. I lie here in a riot of sunlight watching the day break and the clouds flying. Everything is going to be all right. Derek Mahon, from Selected Poems

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    john waters

    • 02/Oct/2020 18:50:58

    Spectacular

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    andyclinch

    • 04/Oct/2020 09:45:45

    Link to a detailed 1908 map of Waterford showing the location Mosley's: data.ucd.ie/api/img/manifests/ucdlib:41606

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    sharon.corbet

    • 07/Oct/2020 13:02:47

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] That link doesn't seem to work for me - you may need a "permanent link" or something like that instead?