Where: Unknown
Try to find the spot where the photographer was standing.
When: 03 May 1925
Try to find the date or year when this image was made.
For the Grandparents, or even Great Grandparents that posed with their enormous clan, this must have been a very proud moment? What a wonderful collection of women, men, and children, all scrubbed up and looking very happy.
I am really looking forward to meeting the Dowleys, and discovering all about them!
Photographer: A. H. Poole
Collection: Poole Photographic Collection, Waterford
Date: Sunday, 3 May 1925, but perhaps a year ealier in 1924,
NLI Ref: POOLEWP 3262
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I am really looking forward to meeting the Dowleys, and discovering all about them!
Photographer: A. H. Poole
Collection: Poole Photographic Collection, Waterford
Date: Sunday, 3 May 1925, but perhaps a year ealier in 1924,
NLI Ref: POOLEWP 3262
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The CommonsSource: Flickr Commons
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Swordscookie
If ever there was a long tailed family this must be it! And all looking so healthy and full of life!
Foxglove
if it is one family ..... they have a Latin common ... still smiling with that gem
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
3 May 1925 was a Sunday . . . At 13:51 (see note and megazoom)
Wendy:
what a clan!
Niall McAuley
Some of the same folks a few years later in POOLEWP 3641 commissioned by Mr. Edward Dowley, Tinvane, Carrick-on-Suir. Here is Mr. Edward in the 1911 census with 6 sons. The original form says 12 children, of whom 12 are living.
sharon.corbet
It's taken outside Tinvane House in Carrick-on-Suir, and is of Edward and Mary Ursula's 45th Wedding Anniversary.
Niall McAuley
Mr. Edward is a Magistrate and Corn Merchant. Tinvane Mill is near Tinvane House.
sharon.corbet
There's also a list of everyone there: Louis, Tom Bacon, Milo, Edward, Ursula, Mary & Deirdre, Francis & Ursula, Jack Ella, Kathy & Kathleen, Mary Quirk & Nula, Kathleen, Willie & Anna, Arthur Ian, Edric, Cecil, Florence, Josie & Ann, Michael Quirk, Joe Mimi, Joan, Betty, Brendan, Desmond, Edward, Marjorie, Myles, Maylon, Dermot
Bernard Healy
This looks like a promising resource: www.dowleyhistory.com
sharon.corbet
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Your later photo is from the 50th wedding anniversary.
Niall McAuley
House is called Cedarfield at the NIAH. The steps remain, but the glass porch is gone.
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] It's for sale as Tinvane House.
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Nice, must buy a Euromillions ticket!
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Flickr is sometimes amazing! In 2013 via https://www.flickr.com/photos/diydelray/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/diydelray/8565762052/
Bernard Healy
I suppose it’s just possible that one of the young children in the pic might still be alive. If I’m reading the website properly, Mary Bacon (holding a child & standing next to Ursula in the back row) lived to the age of 99 & died in 1993. If any of the next generation had comparable longevity, they could still be living.
Niall McAuley
From that history page: Their first home was the Glascott House on the western side of the Carrick-on-Suir, near the hospital. If we assume that he moved to the Mill House some time in 1882 after his father John passed away, it would appear that John A. (1880) and Myles (1881) would have been born in the Glascott House. If we also assume that he moved to Tinvane House in 1892 although it could have been later if alterations had to undertaken, then Thomas, Francis, Joe, Louis and Mary were all born in the Mill House while William and all the subsequent children were born in Tinvane House. Let's take a look: John and (Edward) Myles have addresses at Greenside, while Thomas J was born at Tinvane (but not necessarily Tinvane House). Matches with the house shown (Streetview)
sharon.corbet
There's more info here about the family.
Niall McAuley
The later children all just list Tinvane, no help.
Niall McAuley
I note that Edward and (Mary) Ursula were married by
their unclehis brother, Thomas Dowley. Edward is recorded as both Dooley and Dowley on the cert.sharon.corbet
Here's a flip photo-book of Thomas F. Bacon with a description giving more information.
Bernard Healy
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Unless I’m misreading things, I think Thomas was Edward’s brother.
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] Mary Josephine Bacon was normally called Josie, so I think she's actually the woman sitting on the steps with her daughter Ann(e). Anne only died in 2018 at the age of 95. Mary & Deirdre seems to be Mary Morrissey Dowley (Francis' wife) and their daughter Deirdre.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
I have had a sleepless night worrying about the time on that fellow's wristwatch. Is it 13:51 (see note) or 10:10? This facade of the house faces south-east, and would get strong light in the morning in May. Around 2pm the faces would be shaded on one side. Was the photo before or after an excellent lunch?
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Looks like 10:10 am to me.
Niall McAuley
The windowpane to our left has been heavily photo-scraped. Did one of the servants photobomb the group?
suckindeesel
Drone view youtu.be/7xTNMqFbCmc
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Congrats on Explore! ⭐ September 19, 2020
incognito7nyc
✨🌟★❤✯♥✨ Very beautiful ✨♥✯❤★🌟✨
marinela 2008
Congrats on Explore !
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
It would be terrific if every family had its own historian like Leslie J. Dowley. He was born in 1941, 16 years after this photo, and died last year, 2019. "Leslie J. Dowley was the curator, architect, evidence researcher and storyteller within these memoirs." - www.dowleyhistory.com/ I think Mr Leslie would have been fascinated to know the time on that fellow's wristwatch 95 years later! And he might have known who had been photoshopped in the window. I think I can see 'hands' in this one - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000593853
iolite1
Beautiful image. Congratulations on Explore.
an poc
The baby being held by the man on the right with the dark moustache is Niall Quirk, who died last month. (Thanks to his great-nephew James Carroll for this identification.) I understand he was the oldest practicing solicitor in Ireland! https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy
an poc
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] Edward and Mary Ursula were married in Newtown, Kilmacthomas on 4 August 1879 - civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marri... - which would suggest that this photo dates from 1924 (if Leslie Dowley was correct about the occasion). Perhaps there was a mistake when the details were being extracted from the order book, or perhaps the order was for a copy of a photo Poole took of them the year before?
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thank you so much, Great information.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] We rarely question the date of our Poole photos, but your proposal of a reorder of a copy of a photo taken a year earlier is feasible. I have provisionally changed the date to reflect your comments.
an poc
Many thanks https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland. Though of course Leslie Dowley may simply have been mistaken about the occasion. And the people's attire does look more spring than summer.
Bernard Healy
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] That’s wonderful! I feel vindicated that my speculation about one of the children possibly surviving to the present day was accurate. There is a picture of him (RIP) in this magazine where - a decade ago - he was describing as Tipperary’s longest-serving solicitor. www.lawsociety.ie/globalassets/documents/gazette/gazette-...
an poc
This morning I showed the photo to a granddaughter of Edward and Ursula. She's slightly too young to be in the photo but identified most in it (though she emphasised that she wasn't sure of all of them). I'll label them on the photo. (Some of my previous identifications were incorrect.) Missing from the photo is Tom Dowley, who lived in Africa. https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet
an poc
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Apologies, I see now that you posted all the names near the beginning of the comment thread!
sharon.corbet
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] It’s good to get confirmation!
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Excellent, thank you. Mary