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When: 03 May 1925

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For the Grandparents, or even Great Grandparents that posed with their enormous clan, this must have been a very proud moment? What a wonderful collection of women, men, and children, all scrubbed up and looking very happy.

I am really looking forward to meeting the Dowleys, and discovering all about them!

Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Collection, Waterford

Date: Sunday, 3 May 1925, but perhaps a year ealier in 1924,

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 3262

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    Swordscookie

    • 18/Sep/2020 07:53:41

    If ever there was a long tailed family this must be it! And all looking so healthy and full of life!

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    Foxglove

    • 18/Sep/2020 07:56:38

    if it is one family ..... they have a Latin common ... still smiling with that gem

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:06:02

    3 May 1925 was a Sunday . . . At 13:51 (see note and megazoom)

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    Wendy:

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:15:54

    what a clan!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:23:00

    Some of the same folks a few years later in POOLEWP 3641 commissioned by Mr. Edward Dowley, Tinvane, Carrick-on-Suir. Here is Mr. Edward in the 1911 census with 6 sons. The original form says 12 children, of whom 12 are living.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:25:19

    It's taken outside Tinvane House in Carrick-on-Suir, and is of Edward and Mary Ursula's 45th Wedding Anniversary.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:26:46

    Mr. Edward is a Magistrate and Corn Merchant. Tinvane Mill is near Tinvane House.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:26:54

    There's also a list of everyone there: Louis, Tom Bacon, Milo, Edward, Ursula, Mary & Deirdre, Francis & Ursula, Jack Ella, Kathy & Kathleen, Mary Quirk & Nula, Kathleen, Willie & Anna, Arthur Ian, Edric, Cecil, Florence, Josie & Ann, Michael Quirk, Joe Mimi, Joan, Betty, Brendan, Desmond, Edward, Marjorie, Myles, Maylon, Dermot

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    Bernard Healy

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:27:15

    This looks like a promising resource: www.dowleyhistory.com

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:30:36

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Your later photo is from the 50th wedding anniversary.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:31:05

    House is called Cedarfield at the NIAH. The steps remain, but the glass porch is gone.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:35:24

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] It's for sale as Tinvane House.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Sep/2020 08:55:07

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Nice, must buy a Euromillions ticket!

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 18/Sep/2020 09:04:11

    Flickr is sometimes amazing! In 2013 via https://www.flickr.com/photos/diydelray/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/diydelray/8565762052/

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    Bernard Healy

    • 18/Sep/2020 09:26:18

    I suppose it’s just possible that one of the young children in the pic might still be alive. If I’m reading the website properly, Mary Bacon (holding a child & standing next to Ursula in the back row) lived to the age of 99 & died in 1993. If any of the next generation had comparable longevity, they could still be living.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Sep/2020 09:51:03

    From that history page: Their first home was the Glascott House on the western side of the Carrick-on-Suir, near the hospital. If we assume that he moved to the Mill House some time in 1882 after his father John passed away, it would appear that John A. (1880) and Myles (1881) would have been born in the Glascott House. If we also assume that he moved to Tinvane House in 1892 although it could have been later if alterations had to undertaken, then Thomas, Francis, Joe, Louis and Mary were all born in the Mill House while William and all the subsequent children were born in Tinvane House. Let's take a look: John and (Edward) Myles have addresses at Greenside, while Thomas J was born at Tinvane (but not necessarily Tinvane House). Matches with the house shown (Streetview)

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Sep/2020 09:55:46

    There's more info here about the family.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Sep/2020 10:11:53

    The later children all just list Tinvane, no help.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Sep/2020 10:23:08

    I note that Edward and (Mary) Ursula were married by their uncle his brother, Thomas Dowley. Edward is recorded as both Dooley and Dowley on the cert.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Sep/2020 12:12:02

    Here's a flip photo-book of Thomas F. Bacon with a description giving more information.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 18/Sep/2020 13:05:20

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Unless I’m misreading things, I think Thomas was Edward’s brother.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Sep/2020 13:44:26

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] Mary Josephine Bacon was normally called Josie, so I think she's actually the woman sitting on the steps with her daughter Ann(e). Anne only died in 2018 at the age of 95. Mary & Deirdre seems to be Mary Morrissey Dowley (Francis' wife) and their daughter Deirdre.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 18/Sep/2020 21:42:19

    I have had a sleepless night worrying about the time on that fellow's wristwatch. Is it 13:51 (see note) or 10:10? This facade of the house faces south-east, and would get strong light in the morning in May. Around 2pm the faces would be shaded on one side. Was the photo before or after an excellent lunch?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 19/Sep/2020 05:23:37

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Looks like 10:10 am to me.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 19/Sep/2020 05:25:04

    The windowpane to our left has been heavily photo-scraped. Did one of the servants photobomb the group?

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    suckindeesel

    • 19/Sep/2020 09:17:06

    Drone view youtu.be/7xTNMqFbCmc

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    Flickr

    • 20/Sep/2020 04:16:13

    Congrats on Explore! ⭐ September 19, 2020

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    incognito7nyc

    • 20/Sep/2020 09:53:42

    ✨🌟★❤✯♥✨ Very beautiful ✨♥✯❤★🌟✨

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    marinela 2008

    • 20/Sep/2020 16:53:58

    Congrats on Explore !

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 20/Sep/2020 20:32:54

    It would be terrific if every family had its own historian like Leslie J. Dowley. He was born in 1941, 16 years after this photo, and died last year, 2019. "Leslie J. Dowley was the curator, architect, evidence researcher and storyteller within these memoirs." - www.dowleyhistory.com/ I think Mr Leslie would have been fascinated to know the time on that fellow's wristwatch 95 years later! And he might have known who had been photoshopped in the window. I think I can see 'hands' in this one - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000593853

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    iolite1

    • 21/Sep/2020 07:40:49

    Beautiful image. Congratulations on Explore.

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    an poc

    • 14/Aug/2021 19:53:03

    The baby being held by the man on the right with the dark moustache is Niall Quirk, who died last month. (Thanks to his great-nephew James Carroll for this identification.) I understand he was the oldest practicing solicitor in Ireland! https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy

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    an poc

    • 14/Aug/2021 20:42:54

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] Edward and Mary Ursula were married in Newtown, Kilmacthomas on 4 August 1879 - civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marri... - which would suggest that this photo dates from 1924 (if Leslie Dowley was correct about the occasion). Perhaps there was a mistake when the details were being extracted from the order book, or perhaps the order was for a copy of a photo Poole took of them the year before?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 14/Aug/2021 22:25:40

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thank you so much, Great information.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 14/Aug/2021 22:31:22

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] We rarely question the date of our Poole photos, but your proposal of a reorder of a copy of a photo taken a year earlier is feasible. I have provisionally changed the date to reflect your comments.

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    an poc

    • 15/Aug/2021 10:07:35

    Many thanks https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland. Though of course Leslie Dowley may simply have been mistaken about the occasion. And the people's attire does look more spring than summer.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 15/Aug/2021 10:52:41

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] That’s wonderful! I feel vindicated that my speculation about one of the children possibly surviving to the present day was accurate. There is a picture of him (RIP) in this magazine where - a decade ago - he was describing as Tipperary’s longest-serving solicitor. www.lawsociety.ie/globalassets/documents/gazette/gazette-...

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    an poc

    • 26/Aug/2021 13:20:54

    This morning I showed the photo to a granddaughter of Edward and Ursula. She's slightly too young to be in the photo but identified most in it (though she emphasised that she wasn't sure of all of them). I'll label them on the photo. (Some of my previous identifications were incorrect.) Missing from the photo is Tom Dowley, who lived in Africa. https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet

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    an poc

    • 26/Aug/2021 16:36:51

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Apologies, I see now that you posted all the names near the beginning of the comment thread!

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    sharon.corbet

    • 26/Aug/2021 22:20:52

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] It’s good to get confirmation!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 27/Aug/2021 17:47:07

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Excellent, thank you. Mary