Great Northern Hotel, Warrenpoint, Co. Down

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We move diagonally north-east to Warrenpoint in County Down for our photo today. We stay with the Lawrence Collection, and it has to be said that this is not one of that firms best offerings, with the over exposure to the right taking the shine off a very promising image. I am sure that the vehicle with it's very swanky wheels will attract much attention today, I think it is the first Dennis we have had on the stream?

Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Circa ~~1865~~ 1913 - 1914

NLI Ref: L_ROY_11445

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ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
- 09/Sep/2020 06:57:59
Good morning, Dennis!
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
- 09/Sep/2020 06:59:39
IJ 718 ??
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
- 09/Sep/2020 07:05:12
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Good morning.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
- 09/Sep/2020 07:09:59
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Good morning, morning Mary. Streetview looks like not much has changed - goo.gl/maps/ba7dw5RnYaZ2QUjd8 www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/50322545231/in...
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
- 09/Sep/2020 07:37:27
Sometimes Flickr ... via [https://www.flickr.com/photos/internetarchivebookimages/], an advertisement in the 1908 Guide to Donegal, with this text before it - "THE GREAT NORTHERN HOTEL. Occupies a fine position at the head of Carlingford Lough. Sea and Fresh Water Baths. Telegraphic Address :— NORTHERN, WARRENPOINT. Combined First-Class Rail and Hotel Tickets Are issued to the above Hotels at the Company's principal Stations but these Tickets will not be available at Bundoran from the 15th July to the 15th September, inclusive. For further information, apply to the Managers at the Hotels. T. MORRISON, Secretary. Amiens Street Terminus, Dublin." [https://www.flickr.com/photos/internetarchivebookimages/14593965317/] See the book online - archive.org/stream/picturesquedoneg00shru/picturesquedone...
Niall McAuley
- 09/Sep/2020 07:51:27
IJ 718 is registered to Griffith B. Morgan, Great Northern Hotel, Rostrevor in the 1914-15 Motor Directory at lennon wylie. Co. Down only runs to 971 in that year, so I'd say this was registered after 1910.
derangedlemur
- 09/Sep/2020 07:54:47
Deja vu all over again: www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/30323268457/in/photolist-...
Niall McAuley
- 09/Sep/2020 07:58:28
Griffith Morgan is a visiting Hotel Manager in the 1911 census (mistranscribed as a Housekeeper!), with William Corliss the Hotel Manager and head of household. I think it is more likely the Hotel had 2 managers. He was managing a rather Germanic hotel in 1901.
soilse
- 09/Sep/2020 08:11:04
Quite a car. Or is it a bus?
Foxglove
- 09/Sep/2020 08:14:01
"Dennis" is still active and coach build buses and I think ... fire engines in the UK
O Mac
- 09/Sep/2020 08:30:33
"The Mourne Mountain Touring Company was established in 1913 by G.B. Morgan, a local hotel manager." note name on tool box on running board. www.bagenalscastle.com/documents/The%20World%20Has%20Beco...
sharon.corbet
- 09/Sep/2020 08:37:16
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] IJ 719 is outside the Great Northern Hotel in Rostrevor in this photo. ETA: Here are 718 in Rostrevor, and 719 in Warrenpoint.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
- 09/Sep/2020 08:38:39
https://www.flickr.com/photos/an_solas Sean, we like Charabanc.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
- 09/Sep/2020 08:42:53
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Well spotted, same driver in 718?
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
- 09/Sep/2020 08:43:42
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] updating the earliest date to 1913, thanks.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
- 09/Sep/2020 08:45:03
Now I am not sure about the latest date of 1914 - Help
sharon.corbet
- 09/Sep/2020 08:52:35
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland There are articles about liquidation sales of the Mourne Mountain Touring Co. in newspapers in 1915, but they are mostly talking about the sale of cars. (Not charabancs as far as I can see, and no Dennises are mentioned.
Niall McAuley
- 09/Sep/2020 08:56:33
Morgan had 718, 19 and 20 registered in that directory.
cargeofg
- 09/Sep/2020 08:57:54
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/an_solas] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charabanc When this type of vehicle had fixed upper bodywork it then was classified as a bus.
cargeofg
- 09/Sep/2020 08:59:33
www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/3573314091/in/photolis...
Niall McAuley
- 09/Sep/2020 09:11:33
From the name of the company, I was picturing them touring the mountains with picnic baskets, but from [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet]'s shot, L_ROY_11446 of 719 in Warrenpoint, it looks as if they were running a basic bus service from Warrenpoint to Rostrevor, selling tickets on board: 3d to Rostrevor, 4d to the Quay and 6d Return. The selling point must have been that it was faster than the horse tram.
cargeofg
- 09/Sep/2020 09:15:47
www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/8571539286/in/dateposted/ NLI is sometimes amazing to quote [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia]
Niall McAuley
- 09/Sep/2020 09:23:26
L_ROY_03968 shows the tram station in Rostrevor, and the other Great Northern is the other end of the line, at Rostrevor Quay. Looks like 4 trams to Warrenpoint in the morning (on the half hour maybe?), can't make out the later ones. L_ROY_11517 shows the big bus at this station.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
- 09/Sep/2020 09:54:58
[Aside] - Hey Flickroonies! The [https://www.flickr.com/photos/swedish_heritage_board/] has been posting a series of interesting Irish photos from 1939 - check 'em out! flic.kr/s/aHsmPPRRJv
Swedish National Heritage Board
- 09/Sep/2020 10:33:29
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Thank you for spreading! :) Altogether, we will upload 20 images from Ireland in the weeks to come. /Anna B.
cargeofg
- 09/Sep/2020 11:30:15
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Thanks for link. Sending link to my brother and sister in law in Sweden. There is a photo there only a mile away from where they live.
suckindeesel
- 09/Sep/2020 11:38:46
The motorised charabancs, "side loader" https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia, were popular before WW1 and were still in use up to the 1920s. Built on a lorry chassis, in this case by Dennis, by some local coach builder. Seems to have been providing a connecting service for guests of the Great Nothern hotel chain, given the locations of Warrenpoint and Rostrevor. The hotel was one of several operated by the GNR(I) railway who were heavily promoting tourist traffic at this time. The Great Northern Hotel in Bundoran still survives. Probably none of these former hotel towns have retained their rail link. The equivalent in the south were the Great Southern hotels.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
- 09/Sep/2020 11:45:47
https://www.flickr.com/photos/swedish_heritage_board Nice to see you here, welcome.
Swedish National Heritage Board
- 09/Sep/2020 12:00:26
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Thank you! Nice to be here - you have indeed an outstanding photo collection to share on The Commons! And all these wonderful comments... :) /Anna B.
O Mac
- 09/Sep/2020 12:06:28
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Another Sputnik thingie on far roof.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
- 09/Sep/2020 12:27:42
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I noticed that too, what was the point?
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
- 09/Sep/2020 13:37:40
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland The best description I ever heard for that Victorian decoration was "frillyitus", from https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
- 09/Sep/2020 13:39:21
Wondering too what a four-pipe klaxon would sound like?
Foxglove
- 09/Sep/2020 14:19:03
mmmm loud ... sorry it's been a tough day at work
silverio10
- 09/Sep/2020 17:22:32
Buenas fotos antiguas .
cargeofg
- 09/Sep/2020 18:07:11
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Will Carols word make it to the OED. Architects indulging themselves from their pattern book of "frillyitus adornments"
suckindeesel
- 09/Sep/2020 20:14:16
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] How about www.beepzoid.com/ringtones/Taxi-Horn4.mp3 ?
suckindeesel
- 09/Sep/2020 20:21:13
Warrenpoint has changed little from the time of our photo and still retains much of its old fashioned seaside charm. The Great Northern Hotel is the ornate building at the end of the street, it still stands and is now used as a nursing home.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
- 09/Sep/2020 20:48:30
https://www.flickr.com/photos/foxglove Ha ha! https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Honk honk! The https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ will know . . .
suckindeesel
- 09/Sep/2020 21:04:20
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Here's an interesting link to our Mr. Morgan. He gets a mention by The Property Losses (Ireland) Committee: "Claim for £32 2s 10d for goods damaged by Crown forces at Amiens Street Railway Station [Connolly Station], Dublin. Full payment recommended by Committee." centenaries.nationalarchives.ie/centenaries/plic/results....
derangedlemur
- 10/Sep/2020 06:03:12
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Like this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=06TxzXP0S_8
Niall McAuley
- 10/Sep/2020 07:58:22
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] If I read that correctly, he was leasing a Dining Car on the Dublin train route, and it was destroyed by Crown forces at Amiens Street Station in 1916.
Niall McAuley
- 10/Sep/2020 08:16:13
Mr. Morgan died aged 58 in Belfast in 1920, occupation Hotel Proprietor.
Carol Maddock
- 10/Sep/2020 08:33:57
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I stand by and over Frillyitus, and my long-running attempts to have it accepted into the architectural canon of technical terms. Thank you for reminding me to add it as a tag here...
Carol Maddock
- 10/Sep/2020 08:34:50
https://www.flickr.com/photos/swedish_heritage_board Lovely to see you around our neighbourhood again, Anna! :)
billh35
- 10/Sep/2020 09:23:14
What an amazing picture!
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
- 10/Sep/2020 10:38:18
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Things can only improve! https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/50326541502/in/dateposted/
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
- 10/Sep/2020 13:40:11
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Bill, its good to see you here too, hope all is well.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
- 10/Sep/2020 13:41:08
I wonder what colour the vehicle was painted?
billh35
- 10/Sep/2020 14:47:49
Thank you! I am tempted to say this one was silver (but I have absolutel nothing to back that up). I have seen other vehicles belonging to this company where the vehicles appear to be white but this doesn't look white?
John Spooner
- 10/Sep/2020 19:32:10
It was only when I started looking for "warrenpoint" and "charabanc" in early 20th century Irish newspapers did I realise the derivation is char-à-banc (i.e. a vehicle with benches). Conveniently that was an accepted spelling (without the grave accent) until about 1910, when the hyphens were gradually dropped. And it was often a 'motor charabanc'. My education continues.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
- 11/Sep/2020 07:38:06
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] in Silver it would be an impressive sight!
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
- 11/Sep/2020 07:45:32
https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner and all for free! I am always surprised at how much I learn through these photographs on so many different subjects. Perhaps the most useful skill I have picked up is my improved ability to target search for "things" on the Web - a skill I use every day and a skill I think I will be using more and more as time marches on.
billh35
- 11/Sep/2020 10:40:07
Originally the charabancs were actually dual purpose vehicles. During the week, they were conventional flat bed wagons used for carrying freight and at weekends, church pews were added and bolted on to the floor to create a "char-a-banc". The original vehicles were horse drawn and not motorised. In Ireland they could be seen operating along the Antrim Coast Road, around the Mournes and between Dundalk and Blackrock. They were used by the railways for operating excursions as ad "add-on" from railway stations.
John Spooner
- 11/Sep/2020 11:33:42
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I read of such an excursion (by journalists who would give a favourable write-up) who took the train to Warrenpoint and had a day out in one of Mr McAuley's two charabancs.
cargeofg
- 11/Sep/2020 14:30:01
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner] New dictionary of Hiberno English out. www.bookdepository.com/Dictionary-Hiberno-English-Terence...
suckindeesel
- 11/Sep/2020 17:44:10
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Given that the charabanc was registered to The Great Northern Hotel, it wouldn't have appeared in the liquidation sale. Seems to have provided a private service for their guests between their hotels.
sharon.corbet
- 11/Sep/2020 22:48:03
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] No, it was registered to G. B. Morgan, rather than the hotel. According to https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]’s link above, he was also responsible for establishing the Mourne Mountains Touring Co. According to an ad I found, they did tours to Newcastle from Warrenpoint, including circular trips via the coast road, not just between Warrenpoint and Rostrevor.
Swedish National Heritage Board
- 15/Sep/2020 06:52:53
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thanks a lot, Carol - a great neighbourhood to visit! :)
Brian McCalmont Warrenpoint
- 11/Jul/2021 13:00:36
I'll stick my pennys worth in now I have found this page again (long story but I lost my previous oldwarrenpoint account due to a yahoo/flickr fight) 😭 Anyway. That scene has not changed in generations, the old hotel is still there although now a nursing home and all the houses remain more or less untouched. A current "public realm scheme" is in consultation at the moment and we are pushing for a more period correct look for the lighting and what have you. The railings to the right of the photo are part of the then newly opened Municipal park, indeed one of the local Urban councillors Mr Savage paid for the front gate and railings himself at a cost of £89 and 14 shillings. They were designed and built by Musgrave’s Ltd, and towards the end of the 2nd world war met the fate of all "spare" metal railings and gates in the town when they were cut down and taken away for the war effort, despite a protest by the council. And, just to add insult to injury it turns out they were never used instead and ended up in a scrap dealers in Belfast.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
- 11/Jul/2021 16:44:42
https://www.flickr.com/photos/brianmccalmont Welcome back Brian.
Brian McCalmont Warrenpoint
- 12/Jul/2021 10:40:45
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Thanks - you do realise I am going to torture you for the remaining unpublished photos of the locality 😇 😆
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
- 12/Jul/2021 14:28:10
https://www.flickr.com/photos/brianmccalmont I am open to the odd request or two! Mary
billh35
- 22/Jan/2022 14:50:05
Suck Diesel - how do you know it was registered to the hotel? The operator shown on the running board is the "Mourne Mountain Touring Co. Ltd"?