Hould on to yer seat, girl – you’re next!

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This wedding group of 15 from the Poole Collection has an abundance of ladies surrounding four men. The younger lady at the left front looks as though she is holding on to her seat lest it be whisked away from her! She looks to me like one who would fit in inside in Library towers. Attractive, intelligent, with a good dress sense, and nobody is going to shift her – unless she wants to herself!
(how am I doing Carol Maddock?)

Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Collection, Waterford

Date: Between 1901 - 1954

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 4461

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    Foxglove

    • 27/Aug/2020 08:29:08

    three of the individuals are look-a-likies for people I have worked with (not all at the same time), one is the woman seated (firmly!) on the left ( or the right if the photo is flipped later in the morning

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    sharon.corbet

    • 27/Aug/2020 08:33:26

    Here is the marriage record for a John Warner marrying a Christina Finn from Ballyvellig in 1944.

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    NBD Photography

    • 27/Aug/2020 08:35:35

    Great photo! Very typical of it's time although a very serious looking bunch...

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    Ghost Radio

    • 27/Aug/2020 08:52:56

    Gene Hackman bottom right having the Conversation.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Aug/2020 09:38:28

    From [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet]'s marriage record, John Warner was 27 in 1944 and a hairdresser from New Ross, father Peter Warner. In 1911, John and Peter Warner are hairdressers in New Ross, presumably our John's father and uncle. I can't find his birth record. Here is a John (Patrick) Warner being born in Cork in 1917, father Michael also a hairdresser. The New Ross Warners in the census were born in Cork, so all related?

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    Carol Maddock

    • 27/Aug/2020 09:45:09

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/ Behave yourself, Morning Mary, or we'll have to get the dosage on your tablets strengthened (again)!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Aug/2020 09:50:12

    There is a Finn family in Ballyvelig in 1911.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 27/Aug/2020 09:56:09

    Warner isn't an especially common name. Back in 1911 there were just two Warners in New Ross, both hairdressers born in Co Cork, both boarding in a hotel on the Quay. One of them - Peter - must be father of the groom. www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/New_Ros... In the Folklore Collection we have have some cures gathered from Mr & Mrs Warner of the Quay, New Ross, by their daughter who was a student of the Mercy Convent school. www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/5009325/5007224 Unfortunately none of the women in the photo seem to be young enough to have been the girl who gathered that information. Three possible Finn families are likely candidates for the bride's family: www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Ballyha... www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Ballyha... www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Ballyha... Note - NLI also has an undigitised passport photo for Mrs Maud Warner - presumably a relative, and possibly in this pic: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000708139

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    sharon.corbet

    • 27/Aug/2020 09:57:06

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Here's what I think is Christina Finn's birth record. If I'm reading the note correctly, then she's the daughter of Bridget, the niece in the census.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Aug/2020 10:03:35

    I saw that record but missed the correction note on the right! I haven't seen one of those before! Explains why the Father section of her marriage record is blank.

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 27/Aug/2020 10:04:26

    Has anyone else noticed something strange about this photo? The short woman, second row, first on the right is blurred, yet those beside her, in front of her, and behind her are in-focus. Photographically-speaking, technically-speaking, how is this possible? Unless, she was photographed separately and inserted into the photo, later. Or, she shifted on her feet, just as the shutter was released. Also, the groom in the pin-stripe is a handsome gentleman. The bride doesn't look too happy . . . sign of things to come.

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    suckindeesel

    • 27/Aug/2020 10:13:45

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/cassidyphotography The groom does indeed look well, sporting a lovely quiff as befits a hairdresser. The blurry lady does look odd, as both the people in front and behind are in focus. Don't see any joins so don't think she was inserted in the darkroom

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Aug/2020 10:23:47

    That woman just moved as the shot was taken. Here are John's parents getting wed, Peter Warner marrying Elizabeth Nolan in 1913, where we learn Granda Warner was William, a Blacksmith.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Aug/2020 10:28:03

    In 1901, uncle John is still at home, but Peter at 15 is a Groom and living in a boarding house.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Aug/2020 10:36:46

    The old Warner homestead had 1 window to the front and 2 rooms. Evergreen Street has been largely redeveloped, but a couple of these tiny cottages remain in Streetview.

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 27/Aug/2020 10:38:10

    www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Maybe too many celebratory shots of Jamesons or Old Bushmills made her wobbly.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 27/Aug/2020 10:48:30

    Here's something interesting - a photograph of what I am fairly sure was the Finn & later the Warner household: homepage.eircom.net/~horeswoodns/memory-lane1.htm Warner's house in Ballyvelig is a fine example of a thatched house. This was the home of the late Chrissie Warner and the oldest house in the parish. Chrissie Warner almost certainly has to be the bride in this picture here. I can't see a plausible explaination for there being another woman of the same (unusual) name in the same townland. Anyway, it's interesting - given the details of the photo - that John Warner moved into his wife's homeplace. (There's an Irish language phrase for that which escapes my mind at the moment.) Given that her mother was a niece in the household at the time of the 1911 Census, that suggests that there might not have been a closer male relative to take over the farm. Anyway, the Finn house in the 1911 Census had four windows on the front and was thatched, so I think that photo matches well of we assume the extention is post-1911.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Aug/2020 10:49:13

    Peter Warner's death record is from 1957 when he was 76 and his wife was alive, so they must be in this shot. That is presumably them sitting to our right, with uncle John standing behind. That must be Bridget Finn sitting nearest the groom. The marriage record gives witnesses William Warner, surely John's brother beside him, and Kathleen Rossiter, the lady in glasses.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 27/Aug/2020 11:06:31

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley That's interesting - and whilst I know I'm speculating - it adds some weight to my idea that there weren't a lot of surviving male relations on the Finn side of the family. I could be totally off-base, but given that Christina was a clerk, and given what I've written about the Finn house going to the bride and groom, might it be possible that a significant proportion of the women in the picture might be office-companions or friends of the bride rather than relations?

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    Saulo Cruz

    • 27/Aug/2020 11:47:41

    thanks for sharing

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Aug/2020 12:40:46

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] I'd agree. Luke Finn, head of household in 1911 died a bachelor in 1941 at 76. I think this is the record of the death of Ellen Finn, still unmarried - her age does not line up with the 1911 census, but does match her age in the 1901. Bridget's other uncle from the 1901 census Edward died a bachelor in 1903.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 27/Aug/2020 12:50:42

    Here's Bridget Finn's record of death, with Christina Warner, daughter as the informant.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 27/Aug/2020 13:06:23

    The other aunt from the 1901 census, Margaret Jane died unmarried in 1929.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Aug/2020 13:27:05

    So who exactly were Bridget's parents?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Aug/2020 13:42:49

    There is this Bridget Finn, mother unmarried, father not recorded, but the mother is apparently Mary. Mind you, an Ellen Finn was present... What's with the her mark/his mark stuff? When the parents are Labourer or suchlike, you often see an x saying his/her mark, as if they were supposed to sign but can't write. But other witnesses are clearly in the registrar's handwriting, no-one is signing this themselves.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 27/Aug/2020 14:02:01

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley I've assumed that they are supposed to copy exactly what was written on the original cert, and record the fact that there was no signature, only a mark.