Where: Leinster, Dublin City, Ireland
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When: 01 January 1898
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Two Irish Political figures I have never met! Indeed two Irish Political figures none of us has never met!!!! To the shame of Morning Mary I have never been in St. Audeon's Church so I cannot say that I even met their effigies - have you? (With apologies to our international Flickroonies who may never have had the opportunity)
Photographers: Various
Collection: Irish Political Figures Photographic Collection
Date: Not known
NLI Ref: NPA POLI78
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Photographers: Various
Collection: Irish Political Figures Photographic Collection
Date: Not known
NLI Ref: NPA POLI78
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ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Sometimes Flickr is effing effigy-ing amazing. In 2013 via https://www.flickr.com/photos/mazzy76/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/mazzy76/9702277717/
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
And a different search for "Audoen's" produced this via [https://www.flickr.com/photos/juleshynam/] in 2012 www.flickr.com/photos/juleshynam/8287057937/
cargeofg
More Fitz's today. In Wales they use ap as the prefix so son of David becomes apDyfadd.
sharon.corbet
Here is Lord Portlester's wikipedia page. Among other things it mentions: There is a memorial to him and his third wife Margaret d'Artois in St. Audoen's Church, Dublin, erected by him in gratitude for his preservation from shipwreck near the site. He founded New Abbey, Kilcullen, where he is buried.
cargeofg
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowland_FitzEustace,_1st_Baron_Port...
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] French visited it too. There is a difference in the condition of the effigy between the Lawrence and this one, with the Lawrence one looking as if it had been restored fairly recently.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet It looks like the base is wooden with painted lettering in the earlier photos. Stone and engraved in the recent photos.
sharon.corbet
They also have a fancy tomb in New Abbey, Kilcullen.
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] To answer your Note: "Orate pro animâ Rolandi Fitz Eustace de Portlester, qui hunc locum sive Capellam dedit, in honorem beatae Mariae virginis; etiam pro animâ Margaritae uxoris suae, et pro animabus omnium fidelium defunctorum, Anno Dom. 1455." See here for a 19th Century description. (1831)
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet which Google roughly translates as - "And pray ye for the life of Roland, from the Portlester Fitz Eustace, who has given to this place, or Chapel, in honor of the Blessed Virgin of the virgin; also for the sins when alive was Margaret, his wife's name, and for the souls of all the faithful departed, Anno Dom. 1455."
sharon.corbet
Lord Walter Fitzgerald (who is associated with the photo on the catalogue page) was a son of the 4th Duke of Leinster, and an amateur antiquarian, and part of the Kildare Archaeological Society. He had an article in 1899 in the KAS Journal, which has a photo of the St. Audeon effigy. The photo isn't available on the internet archive, but the KAS Journals are digitised. (I can't figure out how to link directly). It's not the same photo, but I would be inclined to think it may have been taken at a similar time, pre-1899.
John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] And Ap Robert became Probert, Ap Richard became Prichard, Ap Rhys became Preece, etc etc
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Thank you John those derivations I did not know. I was speaking to a man a few days ago and he was asking me about Irish surnames as his was Cornes and he believed it was an Anglicize version of Kearns
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Some conflicting views re origin of "Cornes" One source suggests Cornwall, as in Cornish, www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Cornes Another source says Irish in origin www.houseofnames.com/cornes-family-crest
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thanks I shall pass on the links to him. He is doing his family tree and all the side avenues and byways of research that it involves
oaktree_brian_1976
"Old" here means the 1800s. "Old" in Europe means really old. This is about the same period Mr. Columbus landed and caused heartache and chaos over here...
oaktree_brian_1976
Nice views of Ireland from our friends over at the Swedish Heritage Board today also: www.flickr.com/photos/swedish_heritage_board/albums/72157...
John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I ended my comment with "etc etc", but I could only find one other example, Ap Hywel becoming Powell
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner] Wikipedia gives me Prothero (from ap Rhydderch) and Prosser (ap Rhosier or ap Rosser), as well as claiming that Price is another variation of ap Rhys, with a pronunciation change.
Dr. Ilia
Awesome!!!!!!!!!