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Where: Leinster, Dublin City, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1898

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Two Irish Political figures I have never met! Indeed two Irish Political figures none of us has never met!!!! To the shame of Morning Mary I have never been in St. Audeon's Church so I cannot say that I even met their effigies - have you? (With apologies to our international Flickroonies who may never have had the opportunity)

Photographers: Various

Collection: Irish Political Figures Photographic Collection

Date: Not known

NLI Ref: NPA POLI78

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Source: Flickr Commons
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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 25/Aug/2020 08:12:24

    Sometimes Flickr is effing effigy-ing amazing. In 2013 via https://www.flickr.com/photos/mazzy76/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/mazzy76/9702277717/

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 25/Aug/2020 08:18:42

    And a different search for "Audoen's" produced this via [https://www.flickr.com/photos/juleshynam/] in 2012 www.flickr.com/photos/juleshynam/8287057937/

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    cargeofg

    • 25/Aug/2020 08:26:11

    More Fitz's today. In Wales they use ap as the prefix so son of David becomes apDyfadd.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 25/Aug/2020 08:28:34

    Here is Lord Portlester's wikipedia page. Among other things it mentions: There is a memorial to him and his third wife Margaret d'Artois in St. Audoen's Church, Dublin, erected by him in gratitude for his preservation from shipwreck near the site. He founded New Abbey, Kilcullen, where he is buried.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 25/Aug/2020 08:37:22

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] French visited it too. There is a difference in the condition of the effigy between the Lawrence and this one, with the Lawrence one looking as if it had been restored fairly recently.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 25/Aug/2020 08:40:45

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet It looks like the base is wooden with painted lettering in the earlier photos. Stone and engraved in the recent photos.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 25/Aug/2020 08:48:44

    They also have a fancy tomb in New Abbey, Kilcullen.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 25/Aug/2020 08:56:12

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] To answer your Note: "Orate pro animâ Rolandi Fitz Eustace de Portlester, qui hunc locum sive Capellam dedit, in honorem beatae Mariae virginis; etiam pro animâ Margaritae uxoris suae, et pro animabus omnium fidelium defunctorum, Anno Dom. 1455." See here for a 19th Century description. (1831)

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 25/Aug/2020 09:33:27

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet which Google roughly translates as - "And pray ye for the life of Roland, from the Portlester Fitz Eustace, who has given to this place, or Chapel, in honor of the Blessed Virgin of the virgin; also for the sins when alive was Margaret, his wife's name, and for the souls of all the faithful departed, Anno Dom. 1455."

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    sharon.corbet

    • 25/Aug/2020 09:35:19

    Lord Walter Fitzgerald (who is associated with the photo on the catalogue page) was a son of the 4th Duke of Leinster, and an amateur antiquarian, and part of the Kildare Archaeological Society. He had an article in 1899 in the KAS Journal, which has a photo of the St. Audeon effigy. The photo isn't available on the internet archive, but the KAS Journals are digitised. (I can't figure out how to link directly). It's not the same photo, but I would be inclined to think it may have been taken at a similar time, pre-1899.

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    John Spooner

    • 25/Aug/2020 10:27:46

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] And Ap Robert became Probert, Ap Richard became Prichard, Ap Rhys became Preece, etc etc

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    cargeofg

    • 25/Aug/2020 13:47:03

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Thank you John those derivations I did not know. I was speaking to a man a few days ago and he was asking me about Irish surnames as his was Cornes and he believed it was an Anglicize version of Kearns

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    suckindeesel

    • 25/Aug/2020 17:14:41

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Some conflicting views re origin of "Cornes" One source suggests Cornwall, as in Cornish, www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Cornes Another source says Irish in origin www.houseofnames.com/cornes-family-crest

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    cargeofg

    • 25/Aug/2020 18:30:17

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thanks I shall pass on the links to him. He is doing his family tree and all the side avenues and byways of research that it involves

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 26/Aug/2020 02:48:12

    "Old" here means the 1800s. "Old" in Europe means really old. This is about the same period Mr. Columbus landed and caused heartache and chaos over here...

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 26/Aug/2020 02:54:11

    Nice views of Ireland from our friends over at the Swedish Heritage Board today also: www.flickr.com/photos/swedish_heritage_board/albums/72157...

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    John Spooner

    • 26/Aug/2020 08:41:19

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I ended my comment with "etc etc", but I could only find one other example, Ap Hywel becoming Powell

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    sharon.corbet

    • 26/Aug/2020 08:52:51

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner] Wikipedia gives me Prothero (from ap Rhydderch) and Prosser (ap Rhosier or ap Rosser), as well as claiming that Price is another variation of ap Rhys, with a pronunciation change.

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    Dr. Ilia

    • 04/Sep/2020 08:00:07

    Awesome!!!!!!!!!