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Where: N Ireland, Newry Mourne and Down, UK
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When: 01 January 1890
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A tourist car in Kilkeel, Co. Down is well loaded with lots of tourists, and a far cry from today’s experience. This is one of those special photographs from the Lawrence Collection where Mr. French kindly arranged to have posters and signs to assist our Flickroonies in their endeavours!
Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date:Circa 1865-1914 1890
NLI Ref: L_CAB_03814
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Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
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NLI Ref: L_CAB_03814
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Foxglove
dog, a cairn terrier I think !
Foxglove
this is fantastic, most of the posters are ledgeible
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/foxgloveBetter view of dog in CAB-02180.Different Car number We have Number 34 here and Number 67 it he other photo. Drivers dog or maybe belonged to Mr Norton or Shaw. Or is Mr H.A Matier now running the Company. See note on sign. As to breed it does look like a Cairn.
xpisto1
Heavy load for one horse!
Architecture of Dublin
Another Market House, I will add it to the list on Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_houses_in_Northern_Ireland archiseek.com/2014/1800-market-house-kilkeel-co/
John Spooner
Poster behind the reins - The Belfast and County Down Railway advertised its Circular Tour round Mourne Mountains and Cheap Trips to Rostrevor in the Belfast News-letter on Thursday 12 May 1892
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/xpisto1 I made the same mistake but there is a pair of horses!
sharon.corbet
The poster on the left regarding the Belfast Cattle Show, mentions Friday and Saturday 19th and 20th June. That seems to fit with the 1891 Cattle Show.ETA: See belowsharon.corbet
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Nah, it's obviously one horse with 6/7 legs.
sharon.corbet
There's a small history of Norton and Shaw's in Kilkeel including the following: "In the early 1880's it sold its County Down road services to its local manager, Mr. H. A. Matier, (who had been at one time an employee of the Belfast and Northern Counties Railway ).Matier continued to trade under the name of Norton and Company until his undertaking was acquired by the Great Northern Railway on 6th February 1930 when his two 14 - seater Fords were purchased by the railway."
sharon.corbet
Based on the mention that they were in the Old Courthouse, the description of the location of the Old Courthouse, given in the link above, plus looking at some of the other photos, I get approximately this Streetview. (So another one for the no longer standing album.)
debmalyamazumder
Great image!
John Spooner
This is what the tourists might expect on their trip:
From an article titled "Holiday Jaunts" in Pearson's Weekly on 17th September 1892Architecture of Dublin
goo.gl/maps/HPcjzUZXAPELbLPF9 - street view today (building demolished for street)
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
" The Courthouse was the 'unofficial town hall' of Kilkeel, and was used by all sections of the community. When it was demolished in 1952 it was a great loss to the whole town, and it is still sadly missed. The courthouse was used as a venue for dances, amateur dramatics, concerts, meetings and numerous other function. It was requisitioned by the military during World War 11 and used as a billet for part of the war. It was used by famous musicians for concerts. In the early decades of the 20th century Percy French gave concerts in Kilkeel, and it is believed he performed in the Courthouse. Another famous musician, the county Down born Hamilton Harty (who later became conductor of the Halle Orchestra in Manchester, and who was knighted in 1925) gave concerts in Kilkeel in the early decades of the last century, possibly playing some of his own compositions. Then there was the Griller String Quartet from London who also played here. The Old Courthouse, although now gone, still lingers in many memories. by ... Mr Harry McCalden." From - countydown.x10.mx/html/kilkeel.htm#:~:text=The%20Courthou.... (beware Comic Sans!)
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Nah, that's one horse with 6 legs. It's probably a magic horse.
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OOPS! Date Controversy Alert! This website reckons 1887 and names some of the characters in this image - countydown.x10.mx/html/history%20of%20Developments%20in%2... Edit - their caption . . . Long Car taken at Courthouse, Market House, Upper Square, Kilkeel, 1887. Amongst passengers on touring car are: John Davidson (driver), Robert Cousins (company's saddler), William Grills (farmer), Mrs. H. A. Matier with her sister Margaret McKee, Henry Glenny, Danny Rogan, Arthur Doran, Robert Boyd at back. Photo dated 1887.
Architecture of Dublin
Ah we should always start with a reverse Google Image search This period certainly fits with the Cunard Line photo which is a steamer with additional sails.
John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia In 1887 the Belfast Cattle Show was on Thursday and Friday 23rd & 24th June. I'm staying with 1891
Rossoindia
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ and two heads...
oaktree_brian_1976
tried a search for the printers name from the poster I tagged,http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?searchMoreVisible=&census_year=1851&surname=McNeil&firstname=&county19011911=&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=Down&parish=&ward=&barony=&townland=&houseNumber=&ded=&age=&sex=&search=Search&ageInMonths=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&yearsMarried=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumber=&protNumber=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving= in the census of 1901 and 1851, no luck...
sharon.corbet
You know what, I probably shouldn't try and do dates before I've actually finished drinking my coffee. After a bit of fact-checking of myself, 1890 fits rather than 1891, as that was when the Cattle Show took place on Thursday 19th and Friday 20th June, according to the Belfast Newsletter of June 19th 1890, where there is an article discussing the fact that the show will open that day.
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet "H.A. MATIER LATE", as in late of, is inscribed on the Norton & Co. sign. so he had taken over Nortons by the time of our photo.
O Mac
How did they get on and off without steps?
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] That's the spot, the little monument must be the marker. Note the two dormer windows on right compared to same windows in this old shot of courthouse countydown.x10.mx/photos/oldcourhouse.htm
derangedlemur
I thought we'd had this photo before, but maybe it just came up in discussion a different time: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000338686
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] There's also the fact that this photo identifies the building on the right as the Kilmorey Arms Hotel, which is still there as you can see on the Streetview I posted above.
FRITZ AND FONZI (and family)
Nice to see Warrenpoint!
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Iron Stirrup step good view in photo link by https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]
silverio10
Buenas fotos antiguas .
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[Aside] Via Trove, this Ripper Yarn from Kilkeel in 1888 -
From - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/71105297?searchTerm=ki...dermot.balson
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia The Milligan story is a joke story. There was a Margaret Mulligan, 21, who died of typhus in 1888, but that's as close as it gets.
dermot.balson
This photo was taken in the square next to the Kilmorey arms, where the car service was based. Having analysed who was on the car, it seems to have been a works outing. Nearly everyone we can identify was employed by Matier, the owner. Even Robert Boyd at the back was the brother of the wife of Matier, and their sister is there too. I suspect they used the visit of the photographer to show off their new long car. There are several photos from a later visit where the three Boyds playfully pose in pictures of long cars.
dermot.balson
https://www.flickr.com/photos/fonziandfritz It's Kilkeel not Warrenpoint
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thanks for the information.