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Where: N Ireland, Newry Mourne and Down, UK

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When: 01 January 1890

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A tourist car in Kilkeel, Co. Down is well loaded with lots of tourists, and a far cry from today’s experience. This is one of those special photographs from the Lawrence Collection where Mr. French kindly arranged to have posters and signs to assist our Flickroonies in their endeavours!

Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Circa 1865-1914 1890

NLI Ref: L_CAB_03814

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    Foxglove

    • 19/Aug/2020 08:07:26

    dog, a cairn terrier I think !

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    Foxglove

    • 19/Aug/2020 08:08:54

    this is fantastic, most of the posters are ledgeible

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    cargeofg

    • 19/Aug/2020 08:18:12

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/foxgloveBetter view of dog in CAB-02180.Different Car number We have Number 34 here and Number 67 it he other photo. Drivers dog or maybe belonged to Mr Norton or Shaw. Or is Mr H.A Matier now running the Company. See note on sign. As to breed it does look like a Cairn.

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    xpisto1

    • 19/Aug/2020 08:33:02

    Heavy load for one horse!

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    rpgvlwqt88

    • 19/Aug/2020 08:37:06

    Another Market House, I will add it to the list on Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_houses_in_Northern_Ireland archiseek.com/2014/1800-market-house-kilkeel-co/

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    John Spooner

    • 19/Aug/2020 08:37:22

    Poster behind the reins - The Belfast and County Down Railway advertised its Circular Tour round Mourne Mountains and Cheap Trips to Rostrevor in the Belfast News-letter on Thursday 12 May 1892

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 19/Aug/2020 08:40:05

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/xpisto1 I made the same mistake but there is a pair of horses!

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    sharon.corbet

    • 19/Aug/2020 08:46:27

    The poster on the left regarding the Belfast Cattle Show, mentions Friday and Saturday 19th and 20th June. That seems to fit with the 1891 Cattle Show. ETA: See below

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    sharon.corbet

    • 19/Aug/2020 08:47:30

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Nah, it's obviously one horse with 6/7 legs.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 19/Aug/2020 08:54:40

    There's a small history of Norton and Shaw's in Kilkeel including the following: "In the early 1880's it sold its County Down road services to its local manager, Mr. H. A. Matier, (who had been at one time an employee of the Belfast and Northern Counties Railway ).Matier continued to trade under the name of Norton and Company until his undertaking was acquired by the Great Northern Railway on 6th February 1930 when his two 14 - seater Fords were purchased by the railway."

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    rpgvlwqt88

    • 19/Aug/2020 08:58:07

    Similar Cunard Line Poster [1.bp.blogspot.com/-9ATMjZtvPTI/WHuH8Mfz3jI/AAAAAAABqSs/O6...]

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    sharon.corbet

    • 19/Aug/2020 09:00:59

    Based on the mention that they were in the Old Courthouse, the description of the location of the Old Courthouse, given in the link above, plus looking at some of the other photos, I get approximately this Streetview. (So another one for the no longer standing album.)

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    debmalyamazumder

    • 19/Aug/2020 09:01:00

    Great image!

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    John Spooner

    • 19/Aug/2020 09:09:28

    This is what the tourists might expect on their trip:

    A cheap and good car service is run daily in the summer months between Warrenpoint and Newcastle, a town situated further north on the county Down coast. The cars pass through Rostrevor. The route is through the historic Mourne district, past Killowen, Ballyedmond Castle, the Giant's Grave - huge granite monoliths marking the resting place of some unknown chieftain - across Whitewater past Mourne Park to the little town of Kikeel, where a sudden and striking view of the sea is obtained, then by the coast to Newcastle passing numerous places whose name suggests the weirdest legends, "Bloody Bridge," "Armer's Hole," "Donard's Cave," "Maggie's Leap," etc. The return journey can be made by the inland Road via Castlewellan, through a district of much beauty and possessing many memorials of olden days.
    From an article titled "Holiday Jaunts" in Pearson's Weekly on 17th September 1892

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    rpgvlwqt88

    • 19/Aug/2020 09:20:29

    goo.gl/maps/HPcjzUZXAPELbLPF9 - street view today (building demolished for street)

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 19/Aug/2020 10:24:53

    " The Courthouse was the 'unofficial town hall' of Kilkeel, and was used by all sections of the community. When it was demolished in 1952 it was a great loss to the whole town, and it is still sadly missed. The courthouse was used as a venue for dances, amateur dramatics, concerts, meetings and numerous other function. It was requisitioned by the military during World War 11 and used as a billet for part of the war. It was used by famous musicians for concerts. In the early decades of the 20th century Percy French gave concerts in Kilkeel, and it is believed he performed in the Courthouse. Another famous musician, the county Down born Hamilton Harty (who later became conductor of the Halle Orchestra in Manchester, and who was knighted in 1925) gave concerts in Kilkeel in the early decades of the last century, possibly playing some of his own compositions. Then there was the Griller String Quartet from London who also played here. The Old Courthouse, although now gone, still lingers in many memories. by ... Mr Harry McCalden." From - countydown.x10.mx/html/kilkeel.htm#:~:text=The%20Courthou.... (beware Comic Sans!)

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    derangedlemur

    • 19/Aug/2020 10:26:28

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Nah, that's one horse with 6 legs. It's probably a magic horse.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 19/Aug/2020 10:27:23

    OOPS! Date Controversy Alert! This website reckons 1887 and names some of the characters in this image - countydown.x10.mx/html/history%20of%20Developments%20in%2... Edit - their caption . . . Long Car taken at Courthouse, Market House, Upper Square, Kilkeel, 1887. Amongst passengers on touring car are: John Davidson (driver), Robert Cousins (company's saddler), William Grills (farmer), Mrs. H. A. Matier with her sister Margaret McKee, Henry Glenny, Danny Rogan, Arthur Doran, Robert Boyd at back. Photo dated 1887.

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    rpgvlwqt88

    • 19/Aug/2020 10:54:32

    Ah we should always start with a reverse Google Image search This period certainly fits with the Cunard Line photo which is a steamer with additional sails.

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    John Spooner

    • 19/Aug/2020 11:47:37

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia In 1887 the Belfast Cattle Show was on Thursday and Friday 23rd & 24th June. I'm staying with 1891

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    Rossoindia

    • 19/Aug/2020 11:48:53

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ and two heads...

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    sharon.corbet

    • 19/Aug/2020 12:56:06

    You know what, I probably shouldn't try and do dates before I've actually finished drinking my coffee. After a bit of fact-checking of myself, 1890 fits rather than 1891, as that was when the Cattle Show took place on Thursday 19th and Friday 20th June, according to the Belfast Newsletter of June 19th 1890, where there is an article discussing the fact that the show will open that day.

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    suckindeesel

    • 19/Aug/2020 13:36:18

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet "H.A. MATIER LATE", as in late of, is inscribed on the Norton & Co. sign. so he had taken over Nortons by the time of our photo.

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    O Mac

    • 19/Aug/2020 14:06:50

    How did they get on and off without steps?

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    suckindeesel

    • 19/Aug/2020 14:15:28

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] That's the spot, the little monument must be the marker. Note the two dormer windows on right compared to same windows in this old shot of courthouse countydown.x10.mx/photos/oldcourhouse.htm

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    derangedlemur

    • 19/Aug/2020 14:53:27

    I thought we'd had this photo before, but maybe it just came up in discussion a different time: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000338686

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    sharon.corbet

    • 19/Aug/2020 15:10:01

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] There's also the fact that this photo identifies the building on the right as the Kilmorey Arms Hotel, which is still there as you can see on the Streetview I posted above.

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    FRITZ AND FONZI (and family)

    • 19/Aug/2020 16:09:48

    Nice to see Warrenpoint!

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    cargeofg

    • 19/Aug/2020 17:13:52

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Iron Stirrup step good view in photo link by https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]

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    silverio10

    • 19/Aug/2020 19:34:03

    Buenas fotos antiguas .

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 19/Aug/2020 21:29:59

    [Aside] Via Trove, this Ripper Yarn from Kilkeel in 1888 -

    A SAD DEATH.- A young lady named Milligan has died at Kilkeel, county Down (Ireland) in the following circumstances: She was lately out walking with two lady visitors, when all three were startled by the sudden appearance of a man who, personating the Whitechapel monster, brandished a knife, exclaiming, "I'm Jack the Ripper". During the evening Miss Milligan became hysterical; and the next day fever set in, which, notwithstanding the efforts of Dr. Wilson, terminated fatally.
    From - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/71105297?searchTerm=ki...