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What a roller coaster of a week we are having! From searching for catalogues of knickers, to Jean Harlow (who didn’t wear foundation garments), and now we have a society wedding from the lens of the estimable Mr. Poole! Large Wedding Group commissioned by Capt. Penrose shows a happy group of people gathered on a very damp doorstep, but looking happy nonetheless!

Photographer: Poole Photographic Studio staff

Collection: The Poole Photographic Collection, Waterford

Date: between ca. 1901 and 1954 Saturday, 8 August 1931

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 3846

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 23/Jul/2020 08:02:05

    "John Lionel Cooper-Chadwick [the groom] was born on 16 February 1899.1 He was the son of John Cooper-Chadwick and Wilhelmina Heuston.2 He married Beatrix Willie Penrose [the bride], daughter of Captain William Robert Penrose, on 8 August 1931 at Abbeyleix, County Laois, IrelandG.1,3 He died on 2 May 1968 at age 69.1 He was educated at Royal School Armagh, Armagh, County Armagh, IrelandG.1 He gained the rank of 2nd Lieutenant in 1917.1 He gained the rank of Lieutenant in 1918 in the Indian Army.1 In 1919 he served on the Afghan Frontier.1 He fought in the Second World War, where he was wounded.1 He lived at Broad Acres, Charlton Adam, Somerset, England" ... ... From - www.thepeerage.com/p37434.htm#i374331

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 23/Jul/2020 08:07:54

    8 August 1931 was a Saturday ...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 23/Jul/2020 08:14:25

    Come along https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia, that's People Identified, Date Established. Can you achieve the hat trick with Location Identified?!

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    John Spooner

    • 23/Jul/2020 08:24:23

    Isn't that too late for the photographer to have been Arthur Henri himself?

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    John Spooner

    • 23/Jul/2020 08:31:28

    When the marriage was announced in the Waterford Standard on Saturday 30 May 1931 the Cooper-Chadwick seniors' address was Waverley Drive, Bangor, and the Penroses lived at Seaville, Tramore.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 23/Jul/2020 08:39:01

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] They were married at Abbeyleix, Co. Laois. Captain Penrose (bride's father) lived at Seaville, Tramore. Guessing one or other or both or neither! www.thepeerage.com/p42037.htm#i420363 and also catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000594480

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 23/Jul/2020 08:53:49

    The woman with the remarkable eyes on the right of the bride is her sister "Mrs O'Leary(?)" - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000594481

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    derangedlemur

    • 23/Jul/2020 09:38:33

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia It says Tramore on the catalogue entry, though maybe that's just where Capt. Penrose lives..

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    derangedlemur

    • 23/Jul/2020 09:45:33

    It's not his back garden, anyway; that's redbrick, not render: goo.gl/maps/ie3qVrFYdnweh3dW8 goo.gl/maps/xKUzyhdcd3QTstmCA

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    O Mac

    • 23/Jul/2020 09:47:38

    We've seen Mrs O'Learys hat before. catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000592992/MooviewerImg?mobile...

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    derangedlemur

    • 23/Jul/2020 09:48:16

    😄

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    cargeofg

    • 23/Jul/2020 09:55:15

    In Poole 3847 the bride only seems to have one gold band but in the above she has two.

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    derangedlemur

    • 23/Jul/2020 09:56:01

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Presumably one of them is the engagement ring. Edit: Actually, she appears to have a solitaire engagement ring on her right hand. I think it's motion blur.

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    Foxglove

    • 23/Jul/2020 09:58:54

    Man, Capt Penrose ?, seated on chair is also holding a half finished cigarette ! Styles and customs change ....

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    cargeofg

    • 23/Jul/2020 09:59:07

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] No relation of the Kildare St Miss O'Leary that we saw a short while ago. In fine attire on her way to work on a Monday morning.

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    cargeofg

    • 23/Jul/2020 10:03:09

    Saw the solitaire ring on her right hand. Motion blur would explain it looking like a double band. https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]

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    suckindeesel

    • 23/Jul/2020 10:36:48

    Theres probably some convention re the position of the various relatives in these wedding pictures, may give a clue to some of them. Location could be the Abbeyleix hotel where reception was held, the happy couple's home addresses being so far apart.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 23/Jul/2020 11:36:13

    Okay - a few notes that I can't follow up on myself because I have too much to get done today. 1. The bride's birth cert: civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth... Note - her mother's maiden name was Nevill. civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth... 2. The marriage cert lists the clergyman as A Colles Nevill civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marri... and one of the witnesses as Nevill Penrose. The bride has TWO addresses - Seaville Tramore AND the Vicarage, Abbey Leix. Therefore - one of the clergymen must be Rev. A Colles Nevill, who is - almost certainly - a relative of the bride. Was he based in Abbey Leix? Did the bride live at the vicarage just before the wedding? As I say, perhaps someone can dig into this side of things. Oh! There's also an Edward Nevill listed as one of the witnesses - just under the clergyman's name. Might he be this guy in the 1911 Census? www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001670182/ He'd be in his 50s at the time of the wedding photo. I think there's more than an outside shot that BOTH clergymen are Nevills - relations of the bride. One being Edward Nevill who was based in Fenagh, Carlow in 1911; the other being A Colles Nevill. Oh, and the 1911 census also gives us a likely candidate for Rev. A Colles Nevill www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002550694/ He would have been in his 40s at the time of the wedding. Was one of them based in Abbey Leix? Because of the paucity of Nevills, it should be relatively easy to trace the connection to the bride's family. This also gives Abbey Leix Vicarage as a possible location for the photo. (It's been years since I was in Abbey Leix. Anyone know where the vicarage is?)

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    derangedlemur

    • 23/Jul/2020 12:53:35

    Well, you certainly couldn't rule out Abbeyleix from the aerial: www.bing.com/maps?osid=e58b93d0-ff62-4b85-9182-c305a4e1d0...

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    cargeofg

    • 23/Jul/2020 15:14:00

    The Vicarage is adjacent to the Church of Ireland(St Michael and All Angels) in Abbeyleix. From the OSI 25" it was connected via a footpath. Don't know if the Rectory is still owned by The Church of Ireland or not. Quite a few were sold off when parishes were amalgamated into a Union of 3 or 4 churches with the need for only 1 Rector and 1 Rectory bit.ly/39tXrQg

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    Peter Denton

    • 23/Jul/2020 16:00:10

    I bet those kids were glad of the rugs!

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    Bernard Healy

    • 23/Jul/2020 20:25:26

    Okay - got a little more research done Rev AC Nevill was indeed Vicar of Abbey Leix. Entry 2339 on this page relates to his son www.lennonwylie.co.uk/CampbellCollegeRegister4.htm who ended up serving as a doctor in Africa. And here's the grave of Rev E Nevill who died in 1940. www.findagrave.com/memorial/133544476/edward-nevill Given the rarity of the surname, I'm pretty sure that AC did the wedding, and E was one of the witnesses on the cert. There's a transcription of Captain Penrose's gravestone in Tramore on this page: www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/waterford/photos/tombston... No. 91 The morning cometh | WILLIAM ROBERT PENROSE | Born 2nd April 1873 - Died 30th Nov 1938 | and ISABEL his wife | Died 24th December 1957 | ROBERT WILLIAM EDWARD PENROSE | Born 5th May 1909 - Died 15th May 1987 | and CONSTANCE his wife | Born 3rd Aug 1917 - Died 21st Sept 2011 | WILLIAM HENRY NEVILL PENROSE | Died 27th January 1962

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    Bernard Healy

    • 23/Jul/2020 20:44:58

    Okay - Following on from what I've written above, I've come across birth certs for Isabella Mary Nevill civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth... Alexander Colles Nevill civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth... Edward Nevill civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth... all born in New Ross to Edward Nevill & Eleanor Colles. The ages match the census data, so I'm sure that the two clergymen are brothers & that their sister Isabel(la) is mother of the bride. Note that Rev AC Nevill's son had an interesting life: livesonline.rcseng.ac.uk/client/en_GB/lives/search/detail... Might that be him standing next to his father? And Rev. AC Nevill's 2nd son - who would have been about 8 or 9 at the time of this wedding died aged 21 as a medical student in TCD in 1944. A possible candidate for the boy sitting on the rug. civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/death...

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 23/Jul/2020 22:12:54

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] On your point "2." about the bride's two addresses - I vaguely remember something about getting married in a different parish from where you lived; leaving 'a suitcase' with someone like the vicar was enough to satisfy the laws about banns of marriage and residency - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banns_of_marriage#England_and_Wales The groom's father, John Cooper-Chadwick 1864-1948, does not seem to be present. He would be noticeable by his lack of hands - "...He wrote the book Three Years with Lobengula, which he wrote with a pen tied to his elbow joints as a result of losing his forearms in a shooting accident.1 He lived at Ballinard House, County Tipperary, Ireland." From - www.thepeerage.com/p37433.htm#i374328 He sounds like quite a character - talltalesfromthetrees.blogspot.com/2010/09/john-cooper-ch...

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    Bernard Healy

    • 23/Jul/2020 23:42:28

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] I found a fuller account of him here: dib.cambridge.org/viewReadPage.do;jsessionid=17E337C1AA29...