The man with no name
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In the Mason collection this image is entitled “unknown man”, but it appears to be a distinguished gentleman from the nobility in the middle ages? Who was he, and why did Mr. Mason have him in his collection?
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Collection: Mason Photographic Collection
Date: 1890 - 1910
NLI Ref: M51/35
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
Source: Flickr Commons
Views: 12572
There was some really great work done last week and it was a joy to watch it develop and illuminate the dark corners of our ancient photographs. Thank you all for your involvement and commitment!
Collection: Mason Photographic Collection
Date: 1890 - 1910
NLI Ref: M51/35
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The CommonsSource: Flickr Commons
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derangedlemur
I don't know enough hat terminology to know what to search for. It looks a bit ecclesiastical, though, I reckon.
Guerilla Photography (Ireland)
The man with no name Looks like the man with no brain.
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] There's a top to the hat, but it's more or less the same shade as the background. (That doesn't guarantee that there's anything in it, I suppose).
derangedlemur
The subject looks to be 16th or 17th century, judging by similar things in the national gallery. The picture itself could be from any time after that.
Guerilla Photography (Ireland)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Maybe in its original form the hat was more distinctive. Seems to just meld into the background noise.
derangedlemur
Well, the national gallery doesn't seem to have it in their online collection anyway.
derangedlemur
The image is pretty murky. Even using image processing, it's hard to bring up any interesting features.
derangedlemur
I tell a lie: Here it is - William Usher: onlinecollection.nationalgallery.ie/objects/5268/sir-will...
derangedlemur
This one would appear to be mirrored. I assume the national gallery have theirs the right way round.
Wendy:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] super sleuthing!
Foxglove
deserves a little group sideways lemur skip
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Good work The Lemur! Heaps of Ussher information, but mot much about Sir William ... "... John Usher’s son, Sir William Usher, paid for the publication of the first New Testament printed in the Irish language; this appeared in 1602. ... From - theirishaesthete.com/2019/06/24/cappagh/
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The NGI site says "Sir William Usher (d.1657), Clerk of the Privy Council", but he does not seem to be on this wiki list - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerk_of_the_Privy_Council_(United_Kingdom)
derangedlemur
Apparently Ireland had it's own Privy Council: "He was Clerk of the Privy Council Ireland between 1593 and 1633, Constable of Wicklow Castle in 1597 and Member of Parliament (M.P.) for Wicklow in 1613."
Inverarra
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Well done.
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[https://www.flickr.com/photos/846[email protected]] Aha! Here is his family tree with more information - books.google.com.au/books?id=8oIeAQAAIAAJ&pg=PR10&...
Inverarra
His relation, Bishop Usher, was able to declare in 1650 that God created the Earth at about six o’clock in the evening, on 22nd of October 4004 BC. Now that’s accuracy for ye.
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Go wrong with confidence!
Architecture of Dublin
Narrative at top in the National Gallery states "Sir William Usher - Clerk of Privy Council, father to Jane, wife of Daniel Molyneux Ulster King of Arms to Queen Elizabeth and member(MP) for Strabane 1613"
suckindeesel
Usher's Island, Usher's Quay, Usher's St. I suppose?
derangedlemur
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Them's the ones: theirishaesthete.com/2019/06/24/cappagh/ Edit: Only just noticed beachy already posted this.
CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY
If you note this image- onlinecollection.nationalgallery.ie/objects/5268/sir-will... The photograph above is reversed. He should be facing the opposite direction.
derangedlemur
Here's his house: bit.ly/2AXhx8H
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] But not Usher House and Usher monument in Dundrum, which belong to a much later descendant. Apart from the poor man being reversed, are we also misspelling his name? I'm seeing 'Ussher' in several links.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Well done Sir Lemur! I have flipped the image as requested.
Robert Jack Images
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ lolololol
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] He was Clerk of the Privy Council from 1593 to the fall of Chas. 1 according to the Ussher Memoirs pg 33 archive.org/stream/usshermemoirsorg00wrig#page/n72/mode/1... Note spelling of his surname. There were many Williams in this long lived family.
derangedlemur
There seem to be connections to Trinity, parliament and the Ormonds, but no strong hints as to where Mason got hold of it.
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I think his son was one of Trinity's founders. See link above to the Ussher Memoirs for more family info than you could shake a stick at. The Irish Privy Council remained in existance up to, and after, the formation of the Free State. In theory one could appeal an Irish Supreme Court decision to the Privy Council.
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Sometimes Flickr is effing fReAkY ! via https://www.flickr.com/photos/isabel_maree/ with this subtitle - "From a Water-colour copy in Nat. Gal. of Ireland, of his picture at Castledillon." https://www.flickr.com/photos/isabel_maree/2460310288/
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... so this is an electronic copy of Mason's photographic copy of James Black's 1813 watercolour copy of the original 17th century oil painting. Phew!
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*Red Herring Alert* Found in the NLI catalogue; not too sure what relation Archbishop James was to Sir William ... "Letter in Latin from James Ussher, Archbishop of Armagh, to Frederick Henry, Prince of Orange, informing him that he has pleaded with the king on behalf of the recipient's son Frederick who had promised not to pursue his daughter without her mother's consent, 1632 July 10." [it was a Tuesday!] - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000546170 (digitized and megazoomable)
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The NLI is always amazing! Here is a sketch of Donnybrook Castle, demolished 1759. It looks ancient enough for Sir William's era - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000745423 ps - @ [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] can't get your GeoHive map link above to work.
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia The problem seems to be on their side. I created a new one but it doesn't work either. It just sits there with the loading dots circling.
Dr. Ilia
brilliant!
Iconiser
Sir William Ussher (Usher), that married Isabella Loftus ?? If so, I descend from his daughter Ann, that married into the Meredyth's.😮