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Where: Connaught, Galway, Ireland
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Since I was very young, Athenry has been a name that resonates with me. Travelling in the old steam trains to Sligo, the call “All change at Athenry” would ring out, and the name had that special appeal. I was tempted to give it the title “Low lie the fields” but that was just a bit too obvious, and as there is a Peeler in the shot, I thought a bit of crime and punishment might be more appropriate!
Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: 1911 - 1912
NLI Ref: L_ROY_11299
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Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: 1911 - 1912
NLI Ref: L_ROY_11299
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Gregory PC
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Foxglove
two of the buildings in the town still have thatch as roofing material. most street views usually have town streets with slate. No dogs on view but the cycle at the top left has the power of independent self balancing while the other is presented in Flann O'Brien action
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gregcarey Thank you. Now added to Flickr map.
Swordscookie
https://www.flickr.com/photos/foxglove That looks like a motor cycle and it does appear to be up on its stand? Looking at the notices on the wall beside the peeler it looks like he was standing outside the RIC Barracks ?
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
These previous visits might help with something ... https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/8651631526/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/8650532617/ Ed. both STPs before 1869
O Mac
Policeman's cap and Royal Enfield sign point to date post 1901
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] As does the tall phone pole. Mr French did not take many photos of Athenry; is there something wrong with the place?
Foxglove
swordscookie/ thanks. Friday is one of my "mobile phone screen only" and miss a lot of detail even though my contributions are rarely incisive or revealing, though i did discover the first NLI historical record of a snail!
cargeofg
On the shop front is an old rusty sign for Royal Enfield cycles along with a newer one. Agency for Pierce Cycles Irish and Best Wexford. Through the lamp are the words ..a gun. This is a line on a BSA(correction) Royal Enfield "Built like a Gun" The large upright item outside the shop looks like a weigh scales. Shame the motorcycle is parked facing us as we could have had a view of the rear plate.
Foxglove
oh Royal Enfield still maintain a major motorbike presence in India, and a niche presence in Europe
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Flickr is sometimes extraordinarily amazing! In 2007 via https://www.flickr.com/photos/conchur/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/conchur/2562286950/
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And https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ has been busy ... https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/8649328132/
cargeofg
The Enfield Manufacturing Company produced is first bicycle The Enfield in 1893. In 1894 renamed Royal Enfield and trademark Built like a gun used. First quadricyle (motorized) produced in 1898. First motorcycles were made in 1901 and in the 1950s they exported CKD kits to Madras Motors in India to be assembled at their plant in Chennai.In the late 1970s Royal Enfield bikes are exported back to Uk and Europe. P.S CKD means Complete Knock Down. Widely used by British car manufacturers in 50s and 60s to export cars and trucks to South Africa Oz New Zealand etc Lower import duty as local labour was used to assemble them.
Rory_Sherlock
View is a bit further back than Gregory PC's link suggests - that is the old RIC barracks on the right, now the Old Barracks Restaurant. The distinctive building with brick detailing is still there on the left too... www.google.com/maps/@53.2982189,-8.7468247,3a,75y,9.63h,8...
Inverarra
That’s a great photo. Thanks
Architecture of Dublin
P Mahon - building to the left appears to be an unusual victorian structure which has very much stood the test of time. An unusual mix of what appears to be rough limestone coursed masonry with red brick door and window surrounds and other red brick features. See here for further detail - provides no further light on the date though unfortunately! It gives 1840 - 1880 But it would be unlikely that Athenry even at that time would be at forefront of architectural change so I would guess more towards 1870-1880 that this was built www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/30332... More info from the local history page on facebook here - it actually uses this photo as its headline: www.facebook.com/athenryevents/photos/his-is-a-street-wit... Mahon's had gotten an upgrade from an earlier thatched version as shown here - www.historicalpicturearchive.com/shop/pictures/cross-stre... It seems the Irish writer Mary Lavin is the grandaughter of Patrick Mahon - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Lavin This building (a bank) can also clearly be made out in the photo dating it definitively after 1870 (EDIT: @rory sherlock has corrected me - this seems to have been demolished or significantly changed sometime pre 1926 and a new bank built. This indicates that NIAH are way off on their timing or else the building was significantly repurposed and changed) - www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/30332... See relevant page from the 1901 census on the Mahon family - www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Athenry/... and still at cross street in the 1911 census - www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Athenry/... This man from the local history site may be able to provide a definitive source - athenrylocalhistory.blogspot.com/2017/12/iggys-bar-by-ron...
Architecture of Dublin
It wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility to think the poster outside Mahon's (emigration agent) which shows an ocean liner - could be the ill fated titanic. 2 people from Athenry died on the titanic [i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/12/00/330EA4AA00000578-0-...] Im going for 1911/1912
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[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Very interesting, have a look at this White Star Liner Poster I know it is not the same as the one in our photo, but I do think it is the same graphic of the ship? What do you think? Could the poster on the right read Canadian Pacific? [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Niall is good at making out exactly what thesse type of posters say!
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I'd have thought RE would have to drop the 'Royal' moniker once they became Indian, apparently not. The motorbike appears to have acectylene (carbide) lighting, introduced in the early 1900s?
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Well spotted with the Titanic poster! And once again, thanks megazoom™. FISA via https://www.flickr.com/photos/brewster36/ ... https://www.flickr.com/photos/brewster36/8637756178/in/photostream/
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Well done, I would love to Identify the poster on the right, any ideas?
Niall McAuley
might be CUNARD, but most vintage posters seem to say CUNARD LINE. Image of a formally dressed woman looking left? a royal?
abandoned railways
catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000354808 Newer shot
abandoned railways
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland It looks like a horse and carriage to me.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/abandonedrailsireland I see where you are coming from!
Rory_Sherlock
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I don't agree that the last building on the right in the photo is the Ulster Bank as it stands today - the windows don't match up. The last building on the right in the photo has four regular windows facing towards the Market Cross, but the Ulster Bank has two paired windows and one single window. The details are ground-floor level don't match either. I'm not disputing that the photo may belong to the early 1900s - it is possible that the NIAH dated the Ulster Bank incorrectly to the period 1860-1880 Edit: This link indicates the Ulster Bank was built 1927-8, so the photo pre-dates 1927, but we knew that anyway: athenryparishheritage.com/ulster-bank-athenry-branch-1908...
Niall McAuley
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Yes! A horse and carriage approaching! So the headline is more likely to be CONNEMARA.
Niall McAuley
Crossing my eyes still further, I think it says CANADA WEST
suckindeesel
Pierce was once the biggest engineering and agricultural machinery manufacturer in Ireland. There is a display of Pierce bikes in the museum in Johnstown Castle www.google.ie/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=johns... This site thecabe.com/forum/threads/irish-made-bicycles.125030/#lg=... says that it is a Pierce bicycle in that famous photo of Collins. However, other sources claim it to be a Rudge-Whitforth www.independent.ie/irish-news/michael-collinss-famous-hig... A close up of the lamp bracket in a better quality image would probably answer that one. Scene of a bitter lockout, which predates the 1913 lockout by two years. Edit, came across a ref to a 1902 Pierce bike, so dead end there
suckindeesel
Definitely 'White Star' logo in top right hand corner of the left hand placard. Can't get a match with any poster online though. White Star, rather than Cunard, carried much of the emigrant traffic. The right hand placard is more difficult, could be 'Canada xx', does look like a horse and carriage as https://www.flickr.com/photos/abandonedrailsireland has said. Walked up the street for a better view and after further tomfoolery managed to decipher 'Canadian Pacific' on right hand board Left hand board, first line 'Accomodation on board' ? but that might be more of a guess on my part. https://flic.kr/p/2j9rzK5
jamica1
Fascinating looking pump to get water into that trough.
Niall McAuley
suckindeesel Excellent work. Check this Canadian Pacific poster: Magnificent Steamers
gato-gato-gato
Cool.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley That's the one! FISA but not 100% clear, via https://www.flickr.com/photos/wildsheepchase/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/wildsheepchase/5457467434/
waewduan4
👍 Congrats !!
Niall McAuley
Olympic first sailed in June 1911, so we aren't earlier than say 1910. Although Titanic famously sank, Olympic sailed for many years, and they may have used that art for posters...
Niall McAuley
a bit of googling says The lithographic print was one of 3 ads ... 1911 Article also states that the posters were withdrawn in 1912. I have not yet found one repurposed for the Olympic alone or Olympic and Britannic
O Mac
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ The notes on that CP poster site say it "not earlier than 1920" ? it has to have been printed earlier. well done. great to identify from such a smudge.
Niall McAuley
I think the left hand poster is the very same as the FISA example beachcomber links, text Queenstown New York, Queenstown Boston, with the agents name Patrick Mahon below, and it is 1911 or 12.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/gregcarey https://www.flickr.com/photos/foxglove https://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Ladies and Gentlemen, what fantastic work! it is brilliant that you identified the posters from as https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] says "such a smudge" top class detective work. https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia "FISA" - is it tagworthy? I am going to Tag, Titanic, Olympic, White Star Line, Canadian Pacific, Canadian Farm, Liner Booking, do you agree? As for date are we going with 1911 to 1912?
Niall McAuley
Spot the deliberate error: the policeman's moustache is missing!
O Mac
FISA?? what's meaning...excuse ignorance.. o
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Flickr is sometimes amazing. The beachcomber is sometimes too lazy ...
momentous houses
Great
O Mac
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ DOH!
Dennis Steele
Thank you for the visual and the history. Helps explain the haunting song to those of us not from Erin's shores.
tclaud2002
Great Shot! Congrats on Explore!!
O Mac
IMHO this has to be one of the most evocative pictures that the NLI has posted on the Commons over the past 10 years. It's striking because of its ordinaryness. A typical country town showing a tiredness that only poverty can display with unkempt street and weeds growing from the gutter. A lone policeman stays guard over it all representing the powers that brought it to this. I can only imagine the dreams of escape on seeing those two colourful posters with their inticing invitations to a new and better world.....we know of two from Athenry who were lost on the Titanic......all was just about to change... A world to war and our own revolution just a few years away.
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I second that. Left here on Friday Work to do.(Broken farm machinery to repair etc) and today is the first chance I have had to look back at all the clever detective work done. https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Good work on the poster. Re the exporting CKDs Royal enfield motorcycles to India after 1948 and using Royal in their name. Who knows what the thinking was? Not as pc back then I suppose. Royal lamp oil was advertised in Ireland. https://www.flickr.com/photos/jamica1 Pump is a fine example of casting. Just look at the detail on the domed cap. Think of the amount of hours the pattern maker would have spent to make the wooden buck for the mould. Tried to find if it was a Hayward and Tyler of London pump but to no avail.
le cabri
Great one
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Well said!!
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Welll said too!!
Architecture of Dublin
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] A ha! I was too hasty in identifying it and making the assumption that it remained the same building!! You seem to be very much correct here. They must have demolished the old building or at the very least significantly changed it (but that even seems unlikely). I didn't think they would so readily knock a building of quality in those times but on the evidence of that article on Ulster Bank they seem to have been quite the disrupter of their day
grand Yann
Perfect place !
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] There was a 2000 lawsuit www.ipo.gov.uk/t-challenge-decision-results/t-challenge-d... over the ownership of the RE trademark, but I was thinking more about the use of 'Royal' which I thought implied royal patronage.
Architecture of Dublin
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] is it just me going mad or is the Megazoom image different in the top right hand corner from the standardised poster advertising departure from Queenstown that Beachcomber posted??? There would be good reasons to remove the name of the boats from the advertisement which I can think of! The boat sank (15 April 1912) and hence the name Titanic wouldn't be an appealing prospect (and also from a practical perspective it wouldn't make sense to advertise something which no longer exists) but also this glamorous and appealing piece of the most modern technology in an advertisement would be good to keep as a general attraction for would be emigrants and slap another name on the sign. www.flickr.com/photos/brewster36/8637756178/
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] According to athenryparishheritage.com/ulster-bank-athenry-branch-1908... the present Ulster Bank building dates from 1927,
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] The image of the ship and that small boat appear similar, the three lines of bold print below look a little different , the bottom line probably lists Mr Mahon as agent instead of Dennehy. Ours has, what appears to be a large White Star logo in the top right hand corner. Blotting out any reference to you know what? That would imply post 1912. Would really need to dig up a example of a post Titanic poster online. Haven't come across any with a large Star logo in the same place. However, the image is too unclear to be certain. Could do with more enhancement, as per those Hollywood movies.
Rambo2100
Great shot.
{ Hamid }
really nice
Niall McAuley
I agree that it looks as if there is a white star at top right of the poster. This, the later date for the Canada poster and the policeman without a moustache suggest a later date than 1912
Dr. Ilia
wow..very nice
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland While we are here with The Titanic I have a few photo books that were produced from negatives of Fr Brown SJ. These date from early 90s I have tried to find if any more work was done with this collection but with no response from publishers. Do you have information about this collection?
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Could be as late as post 1920 (date for CP poster) The rozzer could still have been standing in front of his barracks as late as 1922. Purely speculation on my part, but perhaps the poster was reused with a bit of real 'cut and paste' to cover the offending reference to the Titanic. Nobody has come up with a non Titanic poster example or one with such a large 'white star' in that corner.
Harmo26
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] You might be correct: RMS Olympic was requisitioned for war service from 1915-18 and didn't return to passenger service until c. 1920.
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rankinb Interesting, I didn't know that. I suppose they had other ships on the transatlantic?
Architecture of Dublin
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] April 1912 to 1922ish then
Harmo26
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] The Olympic class liners that included Titanic and Brittanic were built to replace the older Oceanic and "Big Four" class ships on the transatlantic routes, but I don't know whether the older ships continued to sail alongside Olympic after Titanic was lost. All of White Star's ships would have been requisitioned by the Royal Navy by 1915. Brittanic never served as a liner and was sunk by a mine in 1916.
athenry19741983
https://www.flickr.com/photos/foxglove What two houses are still thatched. If it is the one in the lane behind Northgate steet, that was built in the 80's, by a spoofer?
athenry19741983
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] A lad from Derrydonnell went down on the Titanic in 1912. He was from 4 miles outside the town. Pictures of him are out there. Andy Keane was his name.
athenry19741983
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Unforunately, Noel died just over 2 years ago on or about the 2nd of July. He was a brilliant light in the town. He is immortalised here www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5jzPhWohBg. He was 53 ish and appeared very healthy.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thank you for letting us know about https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ and his excellent work. I think he would have been fascinated by the White Star Line and Canadian Pacific connections.