Main Street, looking towards Dunloe Street, Ballinasloe, Co. Galway

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Where: Connaught, Galway, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1900

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I think that the fancy gas lamp will help with the narrowing of the date range for this photo. It is a shame that Mr French did not focus his camera more often on dating clues in an effort to help us with our work. I am sure he wishes he had, as he looks down on us from day to day. Imagine the fun you could have if you took photos for today, that you knew would be studied in detail in 120 or 140 years time. Someday we will run a little photo competition on that basis. Happy Sunday.

+++ UPDATE +++
First things first, we found out that this is actually Main Street, Ballinasloe, and Dunloe Street is the street heading off to the left. And in fact, it’s spelt Dunlo. The Medical Hall is still a chemist (pharmacy), but the Irish House is a branch of AIB. Dating evidence was a little frustrating, but you did all manage to whittle the date of this photograph from 1865-1914 to between 1890-1914, so thank you all.

Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Circa 1865 - 1914

NLI Ref: L_ROY_08037

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    Robert Riddell LIPF

    • 24/May/2020 07:20:44

    The foreground is actually Main Street with Dunlo Street in the distance.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 24/May/2020 07:30:24

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertriddell thank you.

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    suckindeesel

    • 24/May/2020 08:34:34

    Medical Hall is still there, the Irish House on corner replaced by AIB, could be dated goo.gl/maps/sji3eN5RoqtBnfXU8

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 24/May/2020 08:37:52

    We have visited before, but after - https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/42746103644/ Edit - Ooops! Different corner ... to the right of today's.

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    cargeofg

    • 24/May/2020 08:41:16

    Reverse view in CAB 8297 there is in view a cycle shop with a Pratt's Motor Spirit sign. So early motoring 1900-1905.

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    cargeofg

    • 24/May/2020 09:22:03

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Same corner but a damaged plate in Lawrance is ROY-08039 barber pole is there along with sign for Liptons Tea and Dawson Dye Works. I am sure the Dye Works sign has come up before in an NLI photo. With ref to Pratt's Motor Spirit sign. We have a Dr Rutherford in Dunlo St with car IM 158 also Wm H Macauley in MainSt with IM 292 and Alfred Conroy MainSt with IM 352.

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    cargeofg

    • 24/May/2020 09:42:41

    catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000331987 Gable end of Parsons with K boot sign and prop for demolished building in full view. Gas works is in Harbour Lane by the Canal Basin.

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    Foxglove

    • 24/May/2020 10:49:34

    two days ago there was the NLI photo of the Belgian dog cart.... I am taken aback by the difference in size between the cart horse and the donkeys with the (same size of cart) in the queue, piled high with turf. o viously they were turf wee things!!°

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 24/May/2020 10:55:50

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] There is a Geroge Thomas Parsons a Boot Merchant in Athlone in the 1911 census, it is not inconceivable that he had a beanch of his business just up the road in Ballinasloe, he did have a son.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/May/2020 12:31:19

    The AIB is from 1925 per the NIAH, no help.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/May/2020 12:36:43

    Forage cap on an RIC man suggests 1900+

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    rpgvlwqt88

    • 24/May/2020 12:40:33

    See below the records of two of the buildings photographed in the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage (it doesn't narrow it much to be honest) The building on the corner which seems to be "J Finegan" drapers or clothes shop of some sort is now an AIB which was built c.1925 - www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/30333... The building beside it which is still the same as in the photo was built some time around 1820 - www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/30333... However, it also says the shopfront on the Bakery was inserted c.1860 Frustratingly the photo seems to have been taken right beside a postbox that was put there around 1880-1890 but the frame isn't quite wide enough to see if it is there. P.S. If you look very closely at the above photo and at Google Maps you will see that the pediment of this beautiful building appears in the photo - www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/30333.... Teach and tSagairt (priest's house) which has a build date of c.1890. So we can say with relative confidence that the photo is from between 1890 - 1925 although we probably knew that already. And given the dates of the collection are only to 1914 it can be narrowed quite to 1890-1914 timeframe

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/May/2020 12:45:18

    L_CAB_08296 linked above shows Haydens with a letter box in the wall. Today there is a pillar box, which the NIAH says dates from 1885. But perhaps it was moved? Yes, that shot also include the convent from 1890.

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    cargeofg

    • 24/May/2020 12:47:17

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Thanks for that info as I was unsure of style as there seems to be another man beside him and head gear seemed to merge. RIC Barracks is just up Society St to our right [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Mr Parsons was certainly enthusiastic with his posters for K Boots as they appear in another plate view up Church Hill from Society St catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000319703

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    cargeofg

    • 24/May/2020 14:34:16

    catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000042704 Conroy (Alfred?) just out of view in ROY 08037 our photo to day.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 24/May/2020 15:40:14

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/foxglove/.... turf wee things? I'll be recommending the pun bin for you! :)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 24/May/2020 16:04:21

    Even with so much going on in this photo it yielded very few clues for you to work with. Back to the new normal tomorrow, see you all then, have a lovely evening, night, or morning. Mary Louise

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    rpgvlwqt88

    • 24/May/2020 17:42:01

    Having researched it in a bit more detail the Draper's on the corner in the Irish House seems to have been "J Finegan & Co" Drapers rather J Fitzgerald. See their poster advertisement here www.galwaydecadeofcommemoration.org/content/blog/2016-blo... There is a very sad story of one of their young 17 year old member of their staff drowning in the Connacht Tribune from 1922 when it is referred to as Mrs Finnegan's Shop at Finnegan's corner - www.photopol.com/james_st/paddy_dwyer.html

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    suckindeesel

    • 24/May/2020 18:07:40

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Also in cab8297 is advertisement for 'Dr. Jaeger's clothing', to quote Wiki: "Jaeger was established by British businessman Lewis Tomalin as 'Dr Jaeger's Sanitary Woollen System Co Ltd' in 1884, capitalising on a craze for wool-jersey long johns inspired by the theories of German scientist Dr Gustav Jaeger. Jaeger's writings about the value of wearing animal fibres (not cotton) next to the skin had attracted fans including George Bernard Shaw.56 The woollen undergarments were worn by many explorers – including Ernest Shackleton. It had received its first Royal Warrant by 1910.5 Jaeger began creating wool suits, and by the start of World War I it had cut its associations with Germany and become a British brand. Long johns for British and Commonwealth troops kept the company going during the war, but by the 1920s it had switched to fashion.6 The company's flagship store opened on Regent Street in the 1930s and attracted a solid clientele who wanted British-made garments at prices that were not as high as Savile Row or the high-end couture brands.6"

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    rpgvlwqt88

    • 24/May/2020 18:40:22

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Other shops in this photo include "China Hall" at 4 Main Street and 5 Main Street "Cogavins" "as the shop was previously known, held an International Air Transport Association licence, which at the time was only the 8th such licence issued in Ireland." The below link provides some detail and while not entirely reliable at least helps to identify the names accurately (it spells the Cogavin name wrong). It is now Keller's at 4/5 Main Street, Ballinasloe www.ballinasloeenterprisecentre.ie/magazine/issue44/balli... Another few doors down is a "Meaghers" and then a Smith's with a horseshoe sign which possibly says "M Higgins" . The cast iron sign holder still appears on Google images. The pub thats covers these two premises now is Grenham's which says it was established in 1909 (but could have been established at another premises) of course. History of Grenham's undetaker, bar and grocery store here - www.grenhamsfunerals.ie/history-of-grenhams-funeral-direc... The building after looks to have "Ward" on the front now "Cahalan Jewellers". It wouldn't be Ballinasloe without a Ward somewhere nearby! Then on the left we have "STRATFORD", "Claffy", then what looks like "JOHN _OOD" possibly John Hood shoemakers or cobblers. PEAYTON smiths/farriers with a horseshoe sign. Then afterwards a sign which says "Depot for Dr. Jaeger's Pure Wool Clothing" Further down the street appears to be advertisement board for something called "Pratts Motor Spirit" near/in the bicycle shop

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    suckindeesel

    • 24/May/2020 20:16:40

    I wonder if the 'K' boots and shoes are the same as the modern 'K Shoes' www.cumbria-industries.org.uk/a-z-of-industries/footwear/... , the “K” trademark is believed to be the only single letter registration allowed to remain in the British Trade Marks Register. Strange that nobody has tracked down 'Parsons' in the census, unless I missed something.

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    cargeofg

    • 24/May/2020 20:50:19

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Parsons was mentioned by NLI but in Athlone. Interesting you should mention Shackelton as Doc on 1 RTE last evening featured Tom Creen's relations who retraced his journey. Bit of cross posting with Jaeger and https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Now that you give the history of it I do remember seeing Jaeger Brand cardigans and pullovers in a shop in Cheltenham or Cirencester.

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    cargeofg

    • 24/May/2020 20:56:49

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] The Katts sign you refer to is it the one on the shop with the bicycle on the frontage at first floor level?

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    suckindeesel

    • 25/May/2020 11:54:22

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] The Jaeger history above says that they had cut their association with Dr. Jaeger by the start of WW1, no surprise there, so could indicate an end date of pre 1914. I think the census may give up more info re the chemist's shop, there were at least 2 in the Main St. A Mr Duane occupied one of them and is listed in the 1911 as a 'chemist', but simply as a 'shop' in the 1901. Finding it hard to locate the shoe shop though, no 'Parsons' either.

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    cargeofg

    • 25/May/2020 13:33:25

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] K Boots and K trade mark and by association K shoes. Had a look back to see if it had come up and it had in Castle St Sligo with good dating via a car in the photo and also a Pratt's sign to go with K Shoes.

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    rpgvlwqt88

    • 25/May/2020 22:09:53

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] www.galwaydecadeofcommemoration.org/content/blog/2016-blo... One of the above referenced advertisements notes a Mr B Jackson (Surgeon dentist) has removed from Mr McCauley's Medical Hall to Hayden's Hotel - (from and advertisement in the East Galway Democrat on 2 December 1916). It now seems to be Murphy's Medical Hall (it has now expanded into Conroys). Of course we still cannot be sure its the same building but the medical hall term would make it seem likely to be McCauley's Ah i see "PJ Duane" chemist is can be seen clearly here also as the medical hall. Google maps today shows the same lane with a sign for Duane's photography www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/42746103644/ So we have possibly identified a McCauleys and definitely identified a Duane's. Can there be another pharmacy/chemist?

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    suckindeesel

    • 26/May/2020 12:31:59

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thanks for the info, I think I'll spend some more time digesting all that, but have to stick to the outdoor painting while this good weather lasts. PS Duane's chemist now occupies site of bakery in our picture, beside AIB.

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    Dr. Ilia

    • 03/Jun/2020 08:00:06

    Great composition