After yesterday’s excitement in the “Cockpit of Europe”, we stay with the Dillon family and they on their travels. Boxhill, Christchurch is clearly not the one in New Zealand with those buildings! Where were they, and what does that scene look like now? Whatever happened to poor auld Betsey? Did she come to a sticky end?
+++ UPDATE +++
Thank you to all the usual suspects for correctly locating this photo for us. This is the Harbour at Rye, East Sussex in England. The reference to Boxhill in our catalogue title should therefore be Bexhill.
Sharon Corbet found references in Dover newspapers to Betsey, a sloop sailing into and out of Rye in the 1890s, frequently transporting “beach for J. Jackson”. Beach was not a misspelling of beech wood, as
Suck Diesel initially thought. It emerges, thank you
George Fitzpatrick, that “Transporting beach would refer to pebble aggregate seen in the foreground. It is known as Canterbury Spar used for garden paths and also dash on walls”.
Photographers:
Dillon Family
Contributors:
Luke Gerald Dillon, Augusta Caroline Dillon
Collection:
Clonbrock Photographic Collection
Date: Around 1895?
NLI Ref:
CLON1408
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at
catalogue.nli.ie
Info:
Owner:
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Source:
Flickr Commons
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sharon.corbet
Rye Harbour? https://www.flickr.com/photos/escchistoricalpics/28447896203
Oretani Wildlife (Mike Grimes)
Hows about Rye in the UK? It would seem that there was a Thomas Hinds and Sons Timber Merchants who donated a warehouse to the Rye Heritage Museum which has a lot of buildings very similar those we see in this shot. www.google.es/maps/place/Rye+Heritage+Centre/@50.9497437,... books.google.es/books?id=5IiIAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT155&lp...
Oretani Wildlife (Mike Grimes)
www.google.es/maps/@50.949586,0.7281919,3a,75y,80.66h,86....
sharon.corbet
I think the Boxhill referenced on lots of the Dillon photos should actually be Bexhill instead.
Swordscookie
Betsy appears to have a dirty bottom as well!
O Mac
With the proximity of the town behind Id say this is the harbour at Rye rather than "Rye Harbour" which is further down the Rother rather.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] There are a number of photos showing Christchurch Priory (eg catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000523288 ). This looks, tastes and smells like Rye.
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Yeah, and there's also this one of Ypres Tower/Rye Castle.
derangedlemur
Montezuma Met a puma Coming through the Rye etc...
sharon.corbet
There are references in Dover newspapers to a sloop "Betsey" sailing to and from Rye, frequently transporting "beach for J. Jackson" in the 1890s.
cargeofg
Modern boat registration letters for Rye are RX which appear on boats filmed at Hastings (which fall within the Rye registration area) in Foyle's War. Transporting beach would refer to pebble aggregate seen in the foreground. It is known as Canterbury Spar used for garden paths and also dash on walls.
CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY
www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ "Foyle's War" I thought I was the only one who watched that excellent stoic. What an excellent Actor.
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cassidyphotography Michael Kitchen is a good actor and has a long series of credits if you do a Wiki on him. I remember him when younger he also turned up in Minder and A Touch of Frost. Not forgetting Honeysuckle Weeks who also brought her own special charm Foyle's War.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Honeysuckle Weeks, what a beautiful name. Miss Mary L. O'Leary (Thanks a lot https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley )
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Flickr is sometimes amazing! In 2011 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/49921806778/in/dateposted/
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I also have visited Rye and Heritage Centre as my sister lives nearby in Tenterden.
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland No relation of Michael from Mullingar???
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Not that I am aware of.
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] And here I was thinking that was a misspelling of 'beech', as in the wood.
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] There is a though. I would say they would list the cargo as timber rather that a species. Good play on words.
sharon.corbet
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] It was also mentioned multiple times in different newspapers, so I assumed it wasn’t a typo.
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet I think https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] was making full use of the all the double meanings and spelling of the English language.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet https://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeegee https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/cassidyphotography https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Ladies and Gentlemen, thank you so much for your great support over the last few weeks, it is much appreciated. As a little one-off bonus we are going to post additional photos for your perusal on Saturday and Sunday. We do hope you like them. Mary
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Woohoo! Sunday glossies!
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Honeysuckle Weeks sounds like a James Bond character. Would you prefer to be Booky Galore?
Bernard Healy
I have a vague memory of reading a very evocative description of Rye & the silting-up of its original harbour in a classic Irish children’s book when I was a youngster. Does that ring a bell with anyone? It might have been A Story-Teller’s Childhood by Patricia Lynch, but I don’t have a copy on hand to confirm my recollection.
cargeofg
Ahh Saturday and Sunday overtime. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Honeysuckle Hero Susan Weeks is her full name and her siblings are Perdita (sister) and Rollo (brother). I though they were all called M. at https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Booky Galore? I would be a shoe in for a senior position with Paddy Power!! We never did find out much about the real Mary L O'Leary
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] George, the concept of Miss Mary L. O'Leary was proposed, seconded and agreed on this photo. https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/16037291180
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Challenge accepted! Mary Louise O’Leary married William Kirkpatrick Magee in 1920. She was an assistant librarian at the time, whereas he was a librarian. Here he is in 1911 when he was an assistant librarian. In 1901, he specifies that he’s at the NLI.
sharon.corbet
William Kirkpatrick Magee has his own Wikipedia entry and later became head librarian of the NLI, though retiring in 1921, before moving to Wales and then Bournemouth.
sharon.corbet
The National Gallery has a sketch of Magee by John B. Yeats. He also features in Ulysses under his pen-name John Eglinton. They seem to have had a son Edmond in 1922, as he’s in the 1939 census with them in Hampshire. It looks like Mary decided to fancy up her name and went by Marie/Maria, instead...
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet All very interesting, the boy was called after his maternal grandfather. We are staying with Mary!! Did you notice the transcription error on the 1911 census, where his landlady is noted as a "Boarding Louse Proprietress" I do hope for his sake that she was not boarding too many of them!
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet I see Robert Lloyd Prager was a witness at the wedding - he was Director of the NLI from 1920 - 1924
Niall McAuley
Per the 1911 census, Mary was born on the Isle of Wight, both her parents in Cork. In 1901 she is a scholar. Her father is a Station Officer C. Guard in 1911, and Station Officer
CourtCoast Guard Pensioned in 1911.sharon.corbet
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland He was named after both his grandparents, as he was Edmond Hamilton Magee. I should admit, that of course it wasn't a census in 1939 - it was a register at the beginning of WW2, to allow for ID cards and later ration books.
Niall McAuley
I don't see a marriage record for Mary's parents, perhaps they were married in England where Mary was born?
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] It's recorded as OLeary rather than O'Leary - here is Edmond marrying Mary Sullivan in Cork in 1881.
Niall McAuley
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Coast Guard! He was a coast guard, that makes more sense!
Niall McAuley
So in 1901, I think Mary lived at Ballycroneen Coast Guard Station (25" map link - no longer standing, but a nice spot: Strreetview)
Niall McAuley
In 1911 they lived at 22 Jones Road, now in the shadow of Croke Park: Streetview
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Us Marys are from good stock!
John Carson Essex UK.
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